Jindal- If SCOTUS strikes down Gay Marriage bans, amend the Constitution-

He said not to judge others, and not to mistreat or abuse others because you disagree with how they live, but then again.

 

there is no proposal for discrimination unless you are addressing the leftist wing of the govt waging war on Christians, all in the name of gay sex.

 

There is no war, that is desperate hyperbole.

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He spoke about a legal arrangement. He didn't say a word about sexuality.

 

Thank you for your rational and reasonable response. I don't relate to all of the religious stuff, but I can respect religious people who understand that religion is to be kept separate from secular laws.

 

A long time ago in a Presidential term long ago I actually liked Jindal. He has essentially shot himself in the foot to many times and this latest on is just unfathomable. A large majority of Republicans under 30 support gay marriage so he isn't even really helping himself with the base. The GOP lost that debate and the demographics are clearly in support of gay marriage. The sooner they get comfortable with that the sooner they can move on to more important issues like foreign policy and economic policy.

 

JESUS IS THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT VIA THE TRINITY.

Jesus is God by all theological and Biblical order. It's not my fault the creators of Christianity decided to link him to the Old Testament.

 

No, Jesus was only the author of the gospels. Paul wrote Corinthians and Romans. All other books were written after Christ's death.

 

Yeah, but that's viewing the Bible as the man-made book as it is.

But if you're going to call yourself a Christian and say this is the word of God, you damn well better follow what it says. Otherwise, the only thing you are is a hypocrite.

Trinity is the foundation of Christianity - the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all the same God in different forms. Jesus IS THE FATHER and vice versa. Therefore, all the laws of the OT against homosexuality were ordered by Jesus. You're trying to be an apologist for a very sexist, racist, and homophobic book. Which is weird, coming from you.

 

Christians are supposed to worship Christ, not a book.

I don't really care if you think of me as a hypocrite for being a Christian or thinking the bible is just a book. The last person who's opinion I care for is a non believer. How can you begin to understand what it means to be Christian to me?

It's just a book. I'm not apologizing for it, you are simply misinformed about its meaning.

 

Both.

They tried in 2006 to get a Constitutional Amendment out there banning same sex marriage -- when support for SSM was not even nearly as great as it is today, and it failed, even then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Marriage_Amendment

 

1; Jesus never wrote anything. Most of the new testament was written by Paul, who most early Christians considered a Roman spy because his teachings often directly contridicted the teachings of Christ.

2; The bible is not the word of god. There were countless books that early Christians considered to be holy. The bible was put together not because all Christians considered the books to be the word of god, but because a group of Bishops and noblemen in Rome felt that they best represented their own political and theological interests. Over 90% of Christians at the time did not accept the bible, but the Roman government held it to be the word of god and killed anyone who disagreed, and soon Christians fell in line with the Church out of fear.

 

Even at CPAC, polling on the importance of social issues was in the single digits. A constitutional amendment will never fly. There just isn't the political capital in this cycle.

Jindal (and maybe the whole GOP) is caught between a rock and a hard place. The base needs to be stoked but not in a way that creates problems on the national stage.

 

I agree with everything your'e saying. But if people are going to call Themistocles Christians, they need to man up and actually walk the walk.

 

What is the walk? Be perfect? Or be a dark ages brute? Just so we are clear what you define the walk as, since Christians obey Christ, I wouldn't think your definition of " the walk" is slightly relevant if it conflicts with Christ, but as we know non Christians seem to know way more about believing and worshipping Christ than Christians do.

Do please enlighten the Christians, tell them how they are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up and how they should believe what a non Christian says, I'm dying to hear.

 

If Christians are claiming they believe the Bible is the word of God, and the Bible says homosexuality is an abomination, then being ok with homosexuality and gay marriage means your faith in God isn't really concert.

 

Not all Christians claim that.

It's fine that this is your interpretation, but I have to point out some hypocrisy on your side. The bible says that men shouldn't wear long hair, so do you consider christian men with long hair "lunchroom Christians" as well? If not you are a hypocrite.

Again a non believer evaluating the faith of Christians and telling them they are being hypocritical for not obeying the non believer's interpretation of their religious texts, is so incredibly ironic my gut actually hurts from laughing so hard.

A non believer saying a believer is believing their beliefs the wrong way, further that non believe is calling the believers hypocrites. The pot calling the kettle black is such a perfect fit for this, I'm willing to bet this exact discussion is what the phrase was made up for.

 

and that is where you are always incorrect.

Gay sex is a sin, plain and simple. You cannot approve of gay sex or engage in gay sex and be Christian. You can claim to be whatever you wish much like I can claim to be a bird. No matter how much I insist, we know that I'm not a bird. The same with Christians. One can claim to believe in God, to love the baby Jesus etc, but one cannot claim to be Christian if gay sex is OK with you

 

I'm Christian and I'm gay.
I just did what you said I cannot do. Hum, nothing happened seems you were lying.

 

and it's awesome if you wish to believe that.

The truth be known is that you are not . But, and here is where you can find solace. We Christians are ready to welcome you at any time. In fact, the Catholics created a service to assist you should you wish to take the necessary steps and leave the life of sin, and embrace the word of the Lord.

 

You still don't get it. The truth is, I am Christian. I don't need your approval, or the approval of your club.

If anything, a group that notoriously protects pedophiles is the last entity I would consult on what it means to follow Christ.

 

yes, you are correct

Within the Catholic Church there was homosexual pedophilia. Right there, acting as messengers of God were men who not only engaged in gay sex but did it with little kids. The congregations made their opinions quite known and wanted it addressed.

My family left the church for a while and had our faith shaken. We realized that it was men who committed the heinous acts but it was also men who tried to cover up the crimes/sins and the cover up was just as bad.

There we were, told to confront our sins and admit them, and in the meantime some of them were doing the exact opposite.

That is why it's more important than ever to address the sin of homosexual sex so things like this never happen again to our children.

 

I confront my sins, thank you. Homosexuality isn't one of them. Sorry bud.

 

If you're gay and a Christian, then your are ignoring the Bible when it suits you. Your faith is convenience.

 

No, I'm just injuring your interpretations of it. And since you're a non believer, your interpretation couldn't possibly be less relevant.

My faith is none of your concern.

I love how you ignored my last response to your comments.

 

First off, religion and the religious is every logical person's concern. Can you be a gay Christian ? YES. But you are living in sin and claiming God was wrong or lied when he claimed it was an unnatural abomination.