John Bolton Says Reelection Is 'Only Thing That Mattered' To Trump

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    It matters to any sane and decent human being.
     
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    Trump fires everyone except the bootlickers and sycophants.

    Trump fired or lost some very good people, Mattis, McMasters, Tillis, Kelley, and though I don't agree with Bolton on foreign policy, he's no moron like the president is, a description shared by Mattis, McMasters, Tillis, Kelley, Bolton and Pompeo.

    In fact, just about every intelligent person in government knows this president is a buffoon.
     
  3. Patricio Da Silva

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    Oh, knock it off, jeezus you guys never stop. Please give one quote where a democrat says "Bolton is the best guy ever".

    Just one, I'll be waiting.

    Democrats are NOT saying 'bolton is the best guy ever', only republicans say that about democrats, because they can't stand it when one of their own has the cajones to stand up to the president, who is a despicable and corrupt moron who is not fit for the office of the president.
     
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    so you disagree with trump and agree with bolton and want to go to war with iran , and north korea??
     
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    Here's your logic:

    If A = B

    And B = C,

    Therefore A = C.

    That's a logical fallacy. A close up observation of Trump does not equal foreign policy.

    Unless you are stupid, which I hope you are not.
     
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    no that’s actually logic. trump campaigned on ending the long drawn out wars of obama and bush. the hawks didn’t like it
     
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    To assume X is wrong about Y, and must therefore also be wrong about Z, is a logical fallacy.

    End of argument.
     
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    so you now agree trump’s policies to end the wars was right and he was right to let bolton go since they were disagreeing
     
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    Please reread my comment. You're deflecting.
     
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    i am just trying to figure out if you agree with Trump’s policies in regards to war or Bolton’s
     
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    Trump doesn't care about the country, he just doesn't want to be seen as a one term loser of a President
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    No you're not.


    Without mentioning my comment to which you replied, you prefaced your question with 'so......' To wit:

    By doing that, without responding to my comment, you are implying your rebuttal is a response to my comment,
    and since you prefaced with with 'so....." you are implying that A = B = C then A = C

    The correct answer to the precise response is to point out your logical fallacy.

    No, you are not trying to find out if I agree with Trump's policies in regards to war or Bolton's, what you are, in fact doing, is equating my assertion that Bolt's observations Trump are correct, then Bolton's policies on war must also be correct, hence the 'so.....".

    The conflation is a logical fallacy, which points that fact out, PLUS answers your question.

    You're not going engage in weasel word games with me and get away with it, sorry.
     
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    i am replying to your comment and asking a question based on it.

    so which is it?
     
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    There is nothing in my comment that logically gives rise to your question.

    The only that can is a logical fallacy, which I've already indicated .
     
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    Sure there is, hence why I asked.

    So.....You want war or you want an end to the never ending conflicts from Bush and Obama? I am not sure why you can't answer the simple question.

    Trump campainged on ending them....Bolton was not happy with that, they had disagreements over it, and Trump let him go
     
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    No there isn't.

    Why you asked was derived from the logical fallacy that if I accepted Bolton's reportage on Trump, then I agree with this foreign policy.

    that is why you asked it , as it was a 'so.....' question.

    Since that is a logical fallacy, there is no logical reason for you to have asked that question based on my comment.

    Now you can ask the question but it's non sequitur.

    what you are now trying to say is that Bolton is bad rapping the prez because he was fired.

    Given that what Bolton is said is true, makes that a moot point.

    If it's true, and it is true, it doesn't matter that Trump fired Bolton.

    From the standpoint of the veracity of his reportage, it is, in fact, irrelevant.

    Either what he said is true, or it is not true. I doesn't matter what the motivation is ( profit, obviously ).

    Looks to me like it's true, it certainly fits who Trump is.

    Obama is irrelevant to my comment.
     
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    I am asking if you support Trump firing him

    and why do you support his reportage, and not that of say South Korea, or other officials in the room? When did you start believing him and why?
     
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    No one gets it right all of the time.

    Some get it right, some of the time, others more often.

    But, when they do get it right, we must acknowledge it.

    It's not a question of whether I support Trump firing him, I'm against Trump, period. I'd venture to say most of his firings were of corrupt intent.
     
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    So Trump fired Bolton because of corrupt intent? So you support the the endless wars of Gbama and Bush....ok...that's all you had to say, is you are a hawk.

    Lots of hawks have come out against Trump....I get your position now....some theorize that's why Kennedy was killed to....who knows.

    Either way blessed are the peacemakess like President Trump
     
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    Are those the same imaginary voices that tell Trump the things he wants to hear?
     
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    doubtful
     
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    I don't think Trump actually really really wants to serve another term. He is a wealthy man who could enjoy all the luxury the White House offers and more, on his own. Certainly more recreational free time.
    I think he is mainly looking for validation that he was successful, which a second reelection would sort of confirm.

    A person like that can never really be fully satisfied, and a second term as President is about as far as you can possibly get.

    Certainly analyzed from any logical perspective, a second election would be a personal sacrifice for him.
     
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