So the guy who things all the answers to a No vote on Brexit are found in a 15 minute comedy bit thinks I'm tripling down on stupid! Well I'll certainly give that chastisement all do consideration!
In an agreement, what one party decides doesn't count. Only what both parties do. Allowing EU citizens to migrate to the UK is not agreeable. Hundreds of other countries have access to the single market without this. This is not something you should expect any agreement over. All those UK companies seeking to export to the EU will be subject to EU regulations just as they are subject to the regulations of every other domain they trade in. The rest of us (approx. 65 million) will not.
Of course. The UK/England is in a much more disadvantageous position than the EU though and needs the single market more than the EU needs the UK. Add the fact that there will be hard liners who will want to punish the UK for leaving and I doubt they will be in any sort of negotiating position. Things are pretty bleak when these things are actually considered. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36526298
Smoke-and-mirrors manipulative jiggery-pokery of colossal sums of money, cunningly formulated by inventive accountants in Brussels to confuse and discombobulate the great unwashed of the member states, and it works very well for those who've got their greedy snouts in the trough. Why, oftentimes it even fools Telegraph journalists , but it doesn't fool me, oh no!!! Lookee here, Gaius_Marius, the 'rebate, isn't a little pat-on-the-head (figuratively speaking of course) quid pro quo for being good little Europeans and paying our subs on time and without argument, it was hard won by The Blessed Margaret. And the 'abatement' can only be used as our masters in Brussels demand it to be used, so big bloody deal - we know how to spend it far better than they do. Like I've said - you might not like what I say but I know more than you could wish I know!
Dream on. Plenty of others sell what you produce. But plenty of others don't have the cash to buy what you make. Punish away. A big toothless bite is threatened by the gummy EU. OOOOO scarey. Maybe we should get our own punishment in first. Teach you how to do it with teeth.
I've just heard on Today that - at this late stage? - Germany has started playing hard-ball on the import-export front . I'll bet if there's a Leave result Germany will have a sharp change of mind on Friday morning!
I am just stating the facts. You might want to be more rational when discussing things as it is quite obvious your feelings are clouding your judgement. The UK will lose out on leaving. Big time. Whatever happens afterwards is completely up to the EU and how the EU decides to handle it. The UK has zero leverage for negotiation. Wales, Scotland and London will not be happy if the vote is leave. The UK will have enough to do negotiating with them before even considering negotiating with the EU.
Yep... I did not expect any other response from the guy who questions official statistics from Denmark. So... How does your world work Cerb? You only believe information that confirms what you already believe?
Then we will have plenty to fill our time without you. I am happy to have no further negotiations with the EU. If they wish to be stupid, let them. We have plenty of things to trade if they wish to. If they don't they don't. I see no reason to force anyone. Either we find agreement or we do not. No biggie. Most people are not in the EU. They seem to be fine. What the EU decides is up to the EU what the UK decides is up to the UK. Where we agree, all well and good, where we don't all well and good too.
Thanks and good luck with yours. I hope to be out of the EU tomorrow and wish you well in continuing with it if you believe it is best for you. I have offered you no fantasies. The UK trade deficit with the EU is well documented. The population of the EU and the rest of the world also. As is the UK's ability to pay for goods and the amount of said goods it imports/exports to and from the EU. All common knowledge that I believe to be entirely factual. It is also factual that we have no particular fear of EU retaliation. Whether we shall be advantaged financially by leaving or joining is a matter of academic dispute. But is unfortunately such a complex relationship that even with the benefit of hindsight this will never be more than opinion from either side. Not even looking back on it from the future. All of that is indeed just fantasy. Unprovable and unfactual in it's nature. Just my agenda talking, much as it is just yours.
There won't! But you need not worry because you will get your way in the referendum; I've already stated that I've heard one young woman say Remain is best because 'roaming mobile phone rates are cheaper', and yesterday another one said Remain is best because she'll 'be able to travel more easily'. And others have said they 'don't know anything about politics so they'll vote Remain to be on the safe side.' And there have always been those who say that full membership of the EU would be good for them 'because we'd have the Euro and wouldn't have to convert currencies when going and returning from their holidays.' The point I make is that the present young generation has been well and truly dumbed down, and that generation has been targetted by the politicos to 'use your vote'. I'll obviously be more than pleasantly surprised if Leave do win but I'm not optimistic. I actually believe that in the foreseeable future, now that we've inspired them, one or two other member states will have their own referendums and get out, then we'll have to pay even higher contributions make up the losses. We must be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing crazy!!
Paradoxically there will be even more retaliation in store for us if we Remain - A) as a way of 'teaching us a lesson for rocking the boat', and B) as a means of warning other member states who might be thinking of having their own referendums.
