Jordan. A model for Pandemic management

Jordan did it in four weeks. Two in complete lock down, then two of 'foot traffic for food' only. Had the rest of the world done the same thing, at the same time, things would be dramatically different today. This virus might well have been reduced to something as 'exotic' as ebola.

As for 'not doable', that's not really an option in an emergency. Sometimes we have no choice - and this is certainly one of those times.

 

No tourists should be coming in - period. For a long long time.

 

Except that now they're free to return to business as usual. As is New Zealand - which also had very harsh restrictions, and IS a free democracy.

 

Such is the authoritarian tendencies of bureaucrats with power. That is why there are over 50 lawsuits against mostly democrat governors.

 

Sure. New Zealand is famous for its brutal totalitarian regimes

 

Glad you’re recognize that.

 

People in the West tend to be attached to their liberties.

Plus the evidence is mounting that this was all a mistake, the virus was not nearly as bad as we suspected early on, and we are even opening up here in Australia.

No matter the consequences, I would not obey the Jordanian government. Indeed I'd be out on the streets protesting, even if it means I get shot.

 

Just curious, is that the quality of data you generally base your opinions on?

 

Really? Which hospitals? How many? Does this include government run hospitals & those run by religious orders? How about some links?

I assume with the sort of deep research you are undertaking that you already know that all cases are being treated in Government owned or administered hospitals. If you have actual evidence that Australia's governments are faking the data then please present it. I'm yet to hear anyone in Australia claim we are engaged in some vast, Chinese driven cover up, but no doubt you have better sources than me.

 

The Jordanian example seems a bit over the top for mine. Other nations such as Australia, Greece, New Zealand, Czechia, Taiwan, Singapore & Sth Korea have been able to achieve similar results with less draconian measures. The Australian lockdown has been very successful while allowing people to leave the house for work, food, medical & exercise. That seems reasonable in the absence of a compelling reason to be more strict.

 

As a physicist and retired nuclear engineer, my opinions are based on complex analysis that you couldn't possibly understand. The presentation was an effort to dumb down the facts so even lefties could understand. Sorry I didn't dumb them down sufficiently.

 

You can Google it. They're doing it to gain access to medical technologies. Here's a sample ...

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...eting-australian-healthcare-businesses-2018-2

BTW, there are only about 75 Catholic hospitals in Australia. https://www.cha.org.au/

Just one guy from China owns bout 34 hospitals.

 

False. It is most definitely prescribed as a malaria prophylaxis.
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/hydroxychloroquine.pdf

LOL! You most definitely never served in Nam where it was handed out weekly ... as a malaria prophylaxis.

Er, no. It's very safe in prescribed doses. AAMF, Dr. Wallace, the Cedars - Sinai rheumatologist with the largest practice in the US (800 patients w/Lupus currently being prescribed HQC), who's been practicing for 40 years, said on tv he's never had a single patient hospitalized from a HCQ reaction / interaction.
Oh, and NONE of his Lupus patients taking the drug have been infected.
https://www.ptcommunity.com/wire/lu...iance-developing-study-focused-lupus-patients

You should delete your sig line.

 

It can be used to prevent, but it's not! Certainly not in a country where the "outbreak" is twelve cases in one year!

Oh God! You most definitely have never seen a map. FYI, Costa Rica is not anywhere near Viet Nam

And there it would be used to protect you! Not to stop the epidemic.

If you give it to the whole population of a country with 5 million inhabitants, the number of dead would be waaaay more than the twelve cases of malaria. Of which, BTW, not a single one of them died!

Bottom line, you don't use hydrochloride to deal with an outbreak of malaria unless you want to kill a large number of people due to the heart conditions it creates. You deal with the source: mosquitoes!

This is what happens to you when you jump into a discussion without understanding what it's about.

Try again!

On second thought... don't. I think one failure on your part should be enough...

 

Now do Japan.

 

Yup.

 

How does making people walk to get food create less risk?

 

Yeah. We've been told several times that it's really hard to catch COVID-19 outside (I think that excludes mobs which makes it very easy). So, people are supposed to shelter in place ,,, at home ,,, where they are vulnerable.

 

I'll take that as a 'yes'. There is nothing 'complex' about posting bad data or just making stuff up. Actually incredibly mundane & simple.

 

Someone bought a bunch of small private hospitals. Has nothing to do with COVID data, which was the claim. COVID cases don't get treated in those hospitals. In fact, most of them were closed or working at a low level for most of the outbreak.

You guys really set a low bar. I would say 'do better', but that would be pointless.

 

It also created a lot of panic. I read where some people needed emergency medications and weren't able to connect with pharmacies,911 ect... Kudos to them for trying to protect their citizens, but it wouldn't work in the US and I'm glad we didn't go that far.
I wish our "leadership" would have had it more together and taken it seriously. There were so many mixed messages that people didn't know what to do. Not overloading our health system was the US main concern.

 

One person per household, and under military scrutiny to ensure distancing compliance etc.

 

This is utterly illogical. Your home cannot give you the virus. PEOPLE give you the virus.

In order for that to happen, someone has to be going out of, or coming into your home. Or, you must be careless with decontamination of anything coming in (mail, groceries, etc). If either or both of those things are happening, you are most definitely not isolating.

 

There were always going to be hiccups.

On the contrary, it should work even better - in a nation as rich and powerful as America, and with such a strong military.