Judge: Bars are allowed to throw out Trump supporters

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  1. Bowerbird

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    How many people is it now that he has fired because they did not agree with him??
     
  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lololol. Here’s a list of military people Obama fired. Trump would have to work overtime to match it.

    http://www.rense.com/general96/listof.html
     
  3. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’ve always maintained that businesses can pick and choose who they do business with and this judge just provided a huge loophole to get around existing laws. That’s the irony.
     
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    The law is pretty clear. It specifies who you may not discriminate against. Because of race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. If the bar owner requires a dress code that's fine, including what not to wear like a MAGA hat, argyle socks or pink ties. This case is absolutely no different than no shirt, no shoes, no service. The fool tried to make a case for wearing a MAGA hat is covered by creed and the judge wasn't buying. Personally I think he'd have had a better case for sexual orientation.
     
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    So, let me get this straight......the government can fine a bakery for not making a 'Gay cake' even though it's against the owner's religion; a business can't ask loitering customers to buy something or leave; but it's perfectly fine for a business to kick someone out because of their political beliefs.........America 2018.....
     
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    This is very similar to the gay wedding cake absurdity. If your business is open to the public at large but you refuse to serve people with a certain political affiliation or attribute, that is discrimination and should be illegal. If you can't handle serving anyone who walks through the door you should go out of business immediately and make room for someone who can.
     
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    so then you have no problem with the removal of the trump supporting patrons and understand how far this can go.
     
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    Of course, that upsets the Trump Followers, just as Hillary Follower or whoever and vice versa would upset Democrat Followers. So the usual Sopa Opera as always because of it.


    But basically ... I'm a shopkeeper / bar owner or whatever business man and of course I want to have clients and do business with them, because that's where I live.
    OK ... but since when I am not allowed to determine myself who I want to have as a customer ... except it violates laws such as discrimination (keyword "Whites Only")?

    Sorry, but if I do not want to satisfy client A because he stinks like hell and sells my shop, why do not I have the right to kick him out and serve him?
    And if I hate Trump, why can I throw people out who are worshiping him openly ... it's my bar and my decision who gets a drink or not!
     
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    It's been a big week for "progressive" fascism, hasn't it?

    Some things/people never change...

     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Today's lesson in English:

    bigotry

    [big-uh-tree]
    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    noun, plural bigotries.
    1.
    stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
    2.
    the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigotry

    The bar owner is a bigot. Stop trying to whitewash his bigotry.
     
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    What sort of behavior would that be? Or is this just another opportunity for a non-American to insult Americans "Behavior", Religious or otherwise?
     
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    Political discrimination should be illegal. If you're a business you're here to provide a service not bother other people with your beliefs. If you want to be engaged politically you should keep this out of your work.

    I always thought that the gay cake thing was a terrible image of the anti gay marriage crowd anyways. You don't make a point by breaking the law.
     
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    I don’t see why. It’s consistent application of long established law. Note that this doesn’t say the businesses decision to throw the (apparent) Trump supporter a good thing, only that it wasn’t illegal.

    I think the key thing to note is that discrimination law is about the motive of the actor, not the status of the victim. For example, if you discriminate against someone because you wrongly believe they’re Muslim, it would be illegal even if they were actually Christian. Equally, if a company kicks someone out for being disruptive and that person happens to be black, that isn’t discriminatory.

    Banning particular political groups from an establishment may well not be an issue (though it would depend on the exact wording and interpretation of the relevant laws – banning any gay rights or black rights groups but allowing pro-life and white rights groups could still be deemed discriminatory on grounds of orientation or race).

    Banning individuals because of a displayed political opinion or affiliation is unlikely to be issue but presuming a political affiliation on the basis of a protected characteristic would probably still be an issue. Banning someone for wearing a pro-life t-shirt is one thing, banning someone wearing a cross on the assumption they’re pro-life would likely be a step too far.

    Of course, you could all just try being nicer to people in the first place, even if they have a fundamentally different opinion to you. Again, just because an action isn’t actually illegal doesn’t automatically make it right or good.
     
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    No bigotry from Starbucks either(possibly one employee...maybe), yet they're shutting down the entire country for a 1/2 a day to inform ALL their employees how NOT to be racist. When the MSM is ready to pounce and destroy you, you have to grovel and take action quickly. I guess when the MSM isn't on your side and SAYS you're racist or bigot, you just are. This bar obviously just cares about morality. Imagine if a bar tossed an Obama supporter out...lets imagine the riots and 24/7 news cycles putting them out of business. OH YEAH...something like that happened when a baker didn't want to make a particular cake. They had no issue with the people buying the cake. It was THE CAKE....yet the MSM and Democrats made sure they're livelihood was ended.

    Nah, no double standard. Move along folks=)
     
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    Don't bars, clubs, lounges and the like all have a right to refuse service clause anyway?
     
  16. Nonsensei436

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    One of those is justified because a smelly guy with no hygiene will drive off your customers. The other is just you hating trump and his followers and is not justified at all.

    If we let you eject cutomers just for liking trump, then we have to let all businesses everywhere discriminate against anyone for any or no reasons sinc it’s now stopped being a matter of commercial practicality and become a matter of personal sensibilities.

    In addition to being wrong, bigoted and unamerican it would also be a fairly hefty blow to the economy since frankly it means nothing but less sales occurring from a commercial standpoint.

    This sort of bratty self centered approach to business is just not sustainable.
     
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    If that bar tossed out an Obama supporter it would be the same. I do not buy into your hyperbolic fear of the media.
     
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    The economy had been getting better before Trump and it continuing to do so with Trump.
     
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    This is great news. If a bar does not want any gays, blacks, etc....they can throw them out and claim they are Trump supporters. This is what happens when insanity over laps.
     
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    If you don't want progressives in your establishment, boot them for being progressives. As long as it's equal, let the bar do as it wants.
     
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    With certain limitations, I've always said a business should be free to do or not do business with anyone they choose. But the law is the law and we've had these debates on this board for quite some time. But now someone can be tossed out of a place simply for their political affiliation and I'm pretty sure I can label someone's political slant in a few minutes just by talking to them and if I don't like them then out they go. I can now bounce Al Sharpton, George Cloony, Anderson Cooper and out of my store, not because they're black, white or gay, but because they're democrats. Like I said earlier, this is a pretty good loophole to evade the current laws. And it was also a horrible business decision on the bar owner's part.
     
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    Perhaps the incident was a friendly tap on the shoulder to Trump supporters to cordially request their sobering up.

    The bar owner should be commended for promoting sobriety among Trumpeters.
     
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    And you're calling the left unhinged after writing this temper tantrum?? LMAO

    Go back to bed and cry yourself to sleep on your Trump pillow.
     
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    Fine! So if it's illegal for the Leftist, welfare-sucking class to use EBT cards to buy booze, who are these bars going to cater to...? You can only cram so many drinks down the throat of even big-rich 'limousine-liberals' before they pass out -- so can the bar owners afford to lose the working, tax-paying class of society...?

    I wonder... would these same anti-Trump bar owners refuse to serve someone if he wore a t-shirt with a swastika on it...?
     
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    Is it possible you don't understand that today a Trump supporter
    can be thrown out of an establishment for his political beliefs and tomorrow it could just as easily be some Bernie Sanders or
    Joe Biden fan boy?
    Along with the thread where someone was giddy that Milo Yianappoulos was driven by an angry mob out of some NY bar your anti civil liberties mini rant here just demonstrates how close the fascist core of the left wing is to it's surface and how pervasive it is.

    This decision did not come out of the middle of Alabama or Texas, remember.
    This came from some judge in Manhattan. Not every leftist is a closet fascist
    who wants his political opponents driven into silence but far too many are.
     
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