Judge orders California to pay for inmate's sex change

And how long has she been recieving treatment?

Nice personal insult, glad to know that that's where we are in the conversation.

Go for it. I'm going to be having dinner after this post, so lay it on me.

You know precedences will require flexibility right?

This is how you deal with Gender Dsyphoria.

If it involves helping the life of a prisoner out, then yes it does.

I forget the exact term, but I think it's called reduction to absurdity. We're not arguing what could happen if she gets out of prison, rather what the role of prisons are.

 

Sure. Whatever you say.

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Doesn't really change much. Your opinion isn't credible. You have done nothing to show enough of an understanding behind it to be considered credible.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not credible.

So then how about this. You tell me what's at the heart of this case.

I don't know, probably making sure that prisoners get the stuff they need to be healthy. Who knows?

So then I went ahead and looked a little bit deeper because I knew that federal level judges need approval by Congress. Then I found that the senate voted him in unanimously. So there goes that "Liberal Judge" argument.

This guy had been practicing law for decades. They would have seen it by now.

 

I'm going to try to make this simple for you:

1: How long he has been receiving treatment is a moot point, it is the standard treatment for his disorder, and he did not start receiving treatment until he had been in prison for over 10 yrs.

http://www.transgenderlaw.org/resources/prisoners.htm

2: Do you know what precedence means in a legal sense? It means that there is a court case to cite as an example, the only one here was overturned on appeal, the one in Texas was a life-saving procedure, therefore there is no predence!

3: No...its how "you" would deal with gender dysphoria, not a prison

4: Prison is not for "helping the life of a prisoner", where did you get the idea that it was? Do you think when he gets gang-raped for having a fake vagina that is going to "help" the life of the prisoner?

5: Why do you think the role of prison is to provide expensive, unnecessary cosmetic surgery just to make someone feel good?

And then there is this:

Why would you delay your parole hearings if you have been in prison for 25+ years? I know why, do you?

 

BTW...he has been living as a woman since the 90's, he has been in prison since 87.

He seems to have waited a very long time in his life to decide he was a woman!

 

Are you saying you don't have the compassion, empathy and ability to put yourself in the victim's family's position? Are you really one of these people who believes something horrible would 'never happen to you or yours'? Only other people will suffer?

This murderer is a LIFER. If he gets this surgery and he most likely will b/c of nuts who think the murderer should have his own way and one of them has the power to make it happen.....how is this going to make his life better? And why should people - the taxpayers - fork out a ton of $ to make this murderer's life better?

If he can be rehabilitated - then fine! But he can be rehabilitated w/the same genitals he was born with.....

From what I understand, rehabilitation is focused on those who will be released, not the lifers.

 

Wow! I consider the source and find it severely lacking.

His decision isn't credible because I don't like it. I don't like it because it's not credible.

I already did long ago.
This man (man, I said) is a murderer and in jail for good. There is nothing to rehabilitate and whether he feels like he is, or should be, a woman or not is absolutely irrelevant.
California is hundreds of billions of dollars in the red as it is and wasting the state's money on this killer, so he can feel better about himself, is an unconscionable waste of taxpayer resources, when the money would be better spent elsewhere, as well as a moral outrage.

Do you think you've got it now?

This is akin to the case of the Georgia criminal who got a heart transplant (ahead of so many other more deserving candidates) and then died in a car accident after a crime spree.
Sorry, but the limited resources the California penal system has is so much better spent elsewhere.

I evaluate a judge by what he does. Not who approves of his nomination.
You tried this incredible argument once before and it still doesn't move the meter needle one single bit.

LOL...well done.

 

This is asinine. It is stuff like this that show just how far this country has gone in the loss of common sense and probably in the favor of political correctness. Feelings mean everything, actions nothing. I can only shake my head.

 

You've never heard a Supreme Court justice question a lawyer arguing before him, have you?

 

Interesting stuff you posted here - thanks.

So he's been living as a woman since the 90's - how did he manage that while living in prison and in w/the male population....wouldn't he be, since he didn't get his desired body part yet?

This whole case is crazy - he needs to be told 'forget it!' and send him back to his cell.........

 

The inmate postponing their parole hearing in recent months makes this seem like a back door effort to get paroled, "Let me out or pay for my surgery"

 

I doubt very seriously postponing a parole hearing is an effort to get paroled before surgery.

It makes you wonder why the inmate is allowed to determine when their parole hearing will take place though, doesn't it?

 

If I were facing life in prison, anything I could do to tilt the parole hearing in my favor would be on the table. It is also indicative that the inmate had judicially recognized and verified mental issues (as to the murder circumstances) and the surgery would substantially (in theory) address those issues which would create the impression they are not likely to offend again.

 

How does delaying a parole hearing tilt it in your favor if it is not held?

 

Waiting for the judge to rule that you have legitimate issues requiring medical intervention. Once it is judicially determined albeit on a collateral issue opens up legal doors.

 

And what does a parole hearing have to do with that?

Is cosmetic surgery now legitimate grounds to delay a parole hearing? I thought whether you were rehabilitated or not was the determining factor?

Is medical intervention unattainable outside of prison?

Has it ever crossed your mind that him not wanting to pay for it himself might have something to do with it?

 

First, prisons are medically insured by the state, which means taxpayers directly fund the entire cost of this sex change.
Secondly, no insurance pays for elective surgery. Not medicare, medicaid or any private insurer. If its not medically necessary and its just something someone wants, they do not pay. Cosmetic Surgery is not covered by any insurers.

Its absurd that taxpayers have to pay for anyones elective surgery. So what happens now anyone that wants a sex change can get locked up for a few years and demand taxpayers to pay for it.?

 

I agree.

The costs of such a procedure would exceed those needed to pay for essential dental care for at least a hundred children in constant pain and unable to do their schoolwork because of it.

Additionally, if the inmate was not in prison, he would have to pay for it himself.

Finally, it will give him an excellent reason to sue the State later, claiming inadequate counseling before he had the procedure done while incarcerated.

It's a lose-lose for the average taxpayer.

Only in California. In some State judges try to represent the needs of their constituents as a whole, not just their criminals.

 

He can say that his crime was due to his mental illness associated with being in the wrong gendered body and that he will be rehabilitated with the surgery. Obviously he cannot pay for it himself--he has been in prison for decades.

 

LOL...so his gender confusion made him become a murderer?
Not only is the claim absurd but the time to make that specious b.s. claim would have been at the time of his trial.

Maybe one of his supporters can begin a campaign to raise the money from sympathetic fans. The California taxpayer has far greater needs for the money than this guy does.

 

And if he has it, then what?

Transfer to a female prison?

 

Actually, and I hope I'm wrong, but I think Obamacare covers gender reassignment surgery.

 

That really depends. My understanding is that you can get paroled from a life sentence after just 20 years, and it is possible they reduce that for good behavior by up to a third.

She may be coming up for parole now and the judge thought that this will make sure she doesn't return. If she does return to freedom successfully the judge may have saved the state 30/50 thousand dollars for 20 to 30 years. that's up to 1,500,000

 

No reason for the state to be paying for anything like this, at the most all they should do is put them on the track to havie it financed and then they pay back the bill.

No matter what you say, I will never agree to having sex changes provided for criminals.

 

This is exactly why CA has judicial recall. There are over 840 judges in CA. The system won't crumble if you get rid of one idiot.

 

That's quite a string of hypotheticals and best case scenarios there.