Julia, tough, or stupid?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/16402245/gillard-tough-as-they-make-them-swan/


Senior Labor figures are talking down the prospect of a leadership change, despite a key Kevin Rudd supporter saying caucus members are concerned about the federal government's re-election hopes.

Parliament will rise on Thursday for a seven-week break before the May 14 federal budget.

Leadership speculation has been ripe this week, after reports - later denied - that Foreign Minister Bob Carr and Mental Health Minister Mark Butler had switched allegiance away from Ms Gillard.

Chief government whip Joel Fitzgibbon, a key Rudd backer, told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday it was "stating the obvious" that there were concerns in the caucus about the prospect of an election "wipeout" in September.

But he also said numbers were not being counted and no caucus meeting was being planned.

"Anyone who is talking to the media about numbers is just misleading," he said.

"No one knows what the numbers are because no number counting has been done."

He also said, "MPs are talking to one another about the state of our position in the polls and an election looming and what we are going to do to make ourselves more competitive."

Mr Fitzgibbon said Ms Gillard would have his support for as long as she held the support of the majority of the caucus.

He repeated his earlier statement that if leaders stayed unpopular for long enough "they won't lead the party".

In a separate interview with Fairfax Media, Mr Fitzgibbon said any suggestion of a leadership ballot between budget day and the September election was a "silly concept".

Mr Rudd - who heads overseas next week on a trip taking in Korea, China and North America - issued a brief statement on Wednesday, standing by his commitment not to challenge.

"Unlike others who have used the phrase, when I say will not challenge for the leadership, I mean it. That means Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or beyond," he said.

Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan said Ms Gillard was "as tough as they make them".

"She's going to beat Tony Abbott because she's focused on the big reforms for the future," he said.

Labor MPs were keeping their heads down on Wednesday evening, with all caucus members including the prime minister declining an invitation from ABC's 7.30 program to be interviewed.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, asked whether he was getting nervous about Mr Rudd's possible return, told reporters in Canberra, "What Australians want is strong and stable government.".

"They were gathering three years ago on Kevin Rudd and now they are gathering again on the current prime minister," he said.

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When Wayne Swan says that Gillard is "as tough as they make them", he was off the mark by quite a wide margin. He would have done better by substituting the word, "tough" for arrogant, insular, sexist, incompetant, dishonest. I`ve been watching Bob Carr, at least he presents himself like a human being, he might be one to watch for an ALP leadership challenge. However, if he hasn`t got the brownie points with the right union godfathers, he hasn`t got a hope.

Just curious, would you call JG "tough", or just "stupid", she certainly aims her marketing at the shallow end.

 

She will have to step down eventually. She know she can't win an election with the way things are now.

 

Do you really think she will? Rudd may have public support, but he sure as hell is not liked by many of the ALP party.

Who else is there? No, even though there is a lot of fluster about leadership spills and so on Gillard will lead them to the next election. The party is far too fragmented to introduce a new leader and get back into line before the next election.

nice to hear your thoughts Mak.

 

They should want the public support. They should go with Rudd whether they like him or not, because he is the best chance the Labor party has of winning this election. Julia is a lame duck. Its just a matter of time before she is stabbed in the back and goes the same way as Rudd did.

 

True, but do you think considering the party is so fragmented and much will need to change before the party stands to have its supporters come back. Do you still think they have enough time to break the back if discontent the public has of the ALP?

The public might Love RUDD, but he can only win one seat

 

I think both leaders will remain in power until the election. I think Gillard is up the wall insane politically just like Abbott and can't see any good coming from the election no matter the result.

 

Juliar is just following orders....if she is allowed to quit she will, if she isn't she won't even if it means she will be the most hated PM in history...she has no choice, she has to do what she is told....just like Abbot will have to do and the next one....man when are we going to get it that this two party system is the biggest scam on earth?

The bankers control (not even Australian bankers)our govt, why do you think that Hawke, controlled puppet started selling off our most lucrative revenue raiser for this country, the Commonwealth Bank to the Rockefeller's (puppets of the Rothschilds).

Can we say we have been looted by these focking puppets that are called Prime Ministers?

Heh heh, and we still get clowns like Truthyvigi saying Citizen Initiated Referendum is a "Bad" idea.

If we had CIR when that traitor Hawke sold the Comm Bank there is no way it would have gone thru and we would still have 5 billion a year going into Govt revenue and they would not now need to steal from our bank accounts.

Fooking hell man, wake the flock up!

 

The next ALP Federal Leader will be a poison chalice to whomever takes it. Gillard and her backstabbing backroom men are to blame for what’s happened, so my advise would be; let them take ALL the responsibility and go down with the sinking ship.

Anyone remotely associated with the troll Gillard and her bastard Government has lost all credibility with the intelligent people of Australia.

Things “might” start changing, and people “might” start thinking of introducing a CIR for their best interests, only when the mining and resource sector starts to decline within the next decade, and can no longer sustain the exaggerated Australian housing bubble that’s been developing for nearly 40 years.

I sometimes feel sorry for Australians, because they have no idea what’s about to hit them. The housing bubble pop that hit the USA, Ireland, and other countries, will seem like Childs plays when it happens here in Australia. The Australian economy is ONLY supported by two growth industries: Mining/resources and housing development, and when both these sectors start to decline, Australia and its people are going to hit the wall with an almighty splat.

My mum-in-law was saying the other night that people in Europe are now openly saying that by Australia selling off its countries natural resources and everything it owns to foreign investment is no different to ordinary people buying and selling common stuff on eBay.

Every Australia owned asset that was/is making a healthy profit was sold off to foreigners under the disguise of “better competition” for the industry by these parasite politicians, and the dumb stupid people of Australia STILL believe this and are letting them sell off more - even Australia’s prime agricultural land.

My basic question is. What is a country when it doesn’t even own its own land or its own assets anymore?

The ONLY time when you try to sell off major assets in a business, is when you no longer want to OWN the majority of that business - that same thing applies to Australia.

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The next ALP Federal Leader will be a poison chalice to whomever takes it. Gillard and her backstabbing backroom men are to blame for what’s happened, so my advise would be; let them take ALL the responsibility and go down with the sinking ship.

Anyone remotely associated with the troll Gillard and her bastard Government has lost all credibility with the intelligent people of Australia.

Things “might” start changing, and people “might” start thinking of introducing a CIR for their best interests, only when the mining and resource sector starts to decline within the next decade, and can no longer sustain the exaggerated Australian housing bubble that’s been developing for nearly 40 years.

I sometimes feel sorry for Australians, because they have no idea what’s about to hit them. The housing bubble pop that hit the USA, Ireland, and other countries, will seem like Childs plays when it happens here in Australia. The Australian economy is ONLY supported by two growth industries: Mining/resources and housing development, and when both these sectors start to decline, Australia and its people are going to hit the wall with an almighty splat.

My mum-in-law was saying the other night that people in Europe are now openly saying that by Australia selling off its countries natural resources and everything it owns to foreign investment is no different to ordinary people buying and selling common stuff on eBay.

Every Australia owned asset that was/is making a healthy profit was sold off to foreigners under the disguise of “better competition” for the industry by these parasite politicians, and the dumb stupid people of Australia STILL believe this and are letting them sell off more - even Australia’s prime agricultural land.

My basic question is. What is a country when it doesn’t even own its own land or its own assets anymore?

The ONLY time when you try to sell off major assets in a business, is when you no longer want to OWN the majority of that business - that same thing applies to Australia.

 

What even annoys me even more is that farking cant Keating first floated our dollar which brought it down to half the greenback.

Then these maggots (bankers & their corporations) waltzed into our country and bought up public assets for half price FFS.

And WTF were we doing have a few down at the pub.

Like i keep saying who the fark do our politicians think they are when it comes to the sale of public assets.

Its as though their grandpapies left these to them in their will or something.

Dont we have a say FFS?????????????

 

The vote of no-confidence, which would have brought down the Labor Government failed 73-71.
It needed 76 votes to succeed....just 3 votes away from an election....this is an indication of how close
this Government is flying to the wind....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoMoOgftp4I

 

Gillard will now have to find some balance in the party instead of running around with a hatchet if she can bring this party back into some sort of semblance before the next election. Her spill to clear the air only made the situation worse. Labor ministers are running for cover at the worst possible time for Gillard...

It is obvious to everybody with half a brain that the ALP is only out for itself and that this constant bickering inside the party is only destroying support.

How the hell do they think they can recover after these events? Abbott should take a holiday, he has a hectic few years after the next election, I don't think there is a chance that he will lose the election... maybe some support if he stuffs up... LOL

 

I personally don’t think Abbott would lose this election, even if the media caught him walking out of a brothel drunk with a topless transvestite on each arm.

All he has to do now is sit back and not say anything, and watch the ALP further implode!!

 

Julia Gillard & the ALP have exemplified all that is ugly in human nature. If it excpects to ever gain any real credability, the ALP will need to completely rewrite itself, to become something more than a front for fat cat union racketeers. No one in the ALP wants to take up the poisoned chalice, to lead the ALP as it slides into well deserved oblivian. Julia Gillard is too pig headed to face up to reality, and resign, and it`s too late for the ALP to redeem itself.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/16421529/labor-in-crisis-cabinet-purge-begins/

The long term problem facing Australia, is that the coalition will have no competition, no external incentive for balance. We can only hope that the new government will be more professional than this outgoing one.

 

Which fool would want to be captain of a sinking ship.

Cant wait for the end of Gillard and Swan, as their ALP (titanic) flounders.

Abbotts intergrity will be tested from day one, he has promised to recinder the carbon tax (which i hate) and the mining tax (which i support).

I dont care if he recinders both.

1. The carbon tax - will free all of us from financial slavery on our energy use to overseas corporations and instituitions, it will get rid of this extra cost to small business and the tax payers/consumers of Australia.

2. The mining tax - will reinvigorate the minerals and oil & gas sectors as they are fast coming to a stand still.

If Abbott does these two things as promised and gets the economy going, it will be a good thing for starters.

 

D&D, I work in the explosives industry, supplying the mines. In the last three months, we`ve ground almost to a standstill. The downturn isn`t completely the fault of the carbon & MRRT, but they certainly don`t help. So how does a mine defend itself against a "super" profit tax? Many have cut their operating shifts back by 33.3% for a start. Exploration and forward planning have also almost stopped. Mining is a highly risky business, it`s not worth taking a risk, if you only get nailed whenever a gamble pays off.

 

Because we should give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what the people of Europe with their crashing economies think?

 

Don`t forget KPW, gutter girl gillard has tried to label every male over 45 yoa a "misogynist". Any male who is prepared to cop this abuse has smaller balls than a soprano sparrow.

 

Australian economics is really strong, isn’t it tank?

Held together on the back of a dwindling mining/resource sector, which is holding up an expanding 40 year housing bubble. With a Government debt of $260billion, and borrowing $100million per day to keep the dumbarse people convinced everything is hunky -dory. LOL LOL

I must offer you a job as my financial adviser tank. LOL LOL LOL

My receptionist has more business sense that you!!

Actually Tank, I seriously think its over time that Australians started to be concerned what Europeans thought of them, when you consider Australian politicians have got year 10 mathematics/economics wrong and incorrect.

The first lesson year 10 economic students learn is that a successful business NEVER sells its profit making assets, and then leases that asset back at a financial loss. LOL LOL

What does that say about what Australian politicians who have been selling off profitable Australian assets?

You simply don’t understand the bigger concept. There are European countries that would kill to have the resources that Australia has, and these countries cannot believe that Australian politicians are selling off these brilliant money making assets to foreigners for peanuts. Why else would they be calling Australians dumbarse and backward?

No. Not all European economies are crashing either.

 

According to you if I had a 100k/yr job and owed $15k I'd be in the poor house. That's how stupid your claims are.

 

Unless your job was very secure, you`d be a fool to borrow money that you might not be able to pay back when your employer realises that it`s been overpaying you by $99, 999.99 PA. In fact, if you did something like that, you could even be as stupid as Gutter Girl Gillard, and Wayne Swan. Not tough, stupid.

 

It would help if you wouldn't fall back on stupidity to try and win your point.

 

Hey aussie

I think the corporations are waiting for the federal election before they start to spend money again.

To be fair maybe they are doing it on purpose, so people can vote out labor, dont know just speculating.

Once Abbott wins (there is no hope in hell that labor will) our economy will thrive and next year imo will be very busy.

Just have to try and hold out until the election.

 

Such as?
The greatest stupidity of this topic, is the assumption that this euphoric mining boom will last for ever. To run up debt in the way these criminally incompetent delisionists, is to needlessly leave the country exposed to disaster. Now THAT is STUPID.

One problem of the left is, while they have a delusion to hide behind, they will never face up to reality. They childishly blame everyone else for the consequences of their own inadequacies and incompetance. We are now seeing examples of lefties blaming the press for the unpopularity of the government, and it`s arrogant, pig headed leader. This is one reason that they will never advance in a mature and responsible way. The minute they are confronted with their own failings, they instinctively dive for cover behind cheap BS, and shallow spin. This tactic doesn`t work for grownups, it turns us off.

 

I believe you are right D&D, everyone with any sense will tighten their belts when faced with uncertainty and instability. The over simplistic view, of seeing someone making money, being envious, and trying to cash in on the success of others, could be the downfall of this country, if left to continue. Anyone involved with the decision making process in a mining company, who was responsible for any expensive expansion, or non frugal measures in these times, would be out of a job for life, if things went wrong. It`s a pity our government doesn`t work the same way, but no, instead, we just pay these parasites for life, for stuffing up.

 

The mining boom only accounts for a tiny % of our GDP. This whole belief that our entire economy is mining is stupid. About 70% of our economy is in the service sector, not mining.