Just to clarify: There is no such thing as "Race". There is only "Racism"

True.

We should just call progressives communists.

 

Correct! And if anybody were to hold that humans could be objectively categorized in "races" you would need to conclude that Peruvians with ancestry in Cusco are a different "race" from those who have lived in Lima.

Great example! Thank you

 

Bigotry is basically hating someone else who disagrees with you really.

We have just made several pieces of bigotry more important than others.

Like, technically I am a bigot against murderers and rapists. Well, not technically, I am, but .....yeah

edit - sorry i know this is about race, I don't have much to add since I agree, just thought I would add the bigotry

 

Depends... evidence of what? Change my mind to what?

 

You start by saying "correct" and then completely misconstrue the entire post. You asked for "the gene" that controls race. The question contains a flawed premise. There is not a single gene that controls race. There does not need to be a single gene to control race. Mammals for example share very similar sequences of genes to control similar biochemical functions, like protein encoding. This makes sense from a stand point of genetic evolution. But the stuff that isn't shared, evolves quite independently. Just because we share 98% of our genetic sequences with pigs, doesn't mean that only 2% of our genes are human genes.

These differences arise from local breeding population's responses to their own environments. Once again I'll point to the Andeans who have evolved to survive in regions that would likely leave you dead from hypoxia in a very short period of time. This doesn't take millions of years. Blue eyes, for example, may be less than 10,000 years old. The epicanthic fold, hair diversity, skin color diversity, heck 14% of the population doesn't have a palmaris longus muscle. All of these different genetic traits can be traced to geographic locations that contain specialized breeding populations. To not recognize this reality is to deny evolution.

Do you deny evolution?

 

Coon is saying that it's "far-fetched". Which is obviously a deliberate understatement.

The comparison doesn't work. In Astronomy you will see the same categories in every single type of research. In Biology, you will see completely different definitions of race every time you look. And I'm talking about the specific definition that would be applicable to racism. How is it useful?

They can determine their ancestry. Not their race. Not in the sense that racists use. It would appear necessary to remind you often what is it I am talking about.

Very disputable. There are more differences between some populations that racists would consider of "the same race" than between races in the same population.

http://haciendohistoria.marianistas...2016/02/Taking-race-out-of-human-genetics.pdf

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They can? That's even more disputable.

 

It does. And that's the reason why you need to read the question in context.

There is not a single gene, and there is not a group of genes that determine race. Because there is no such thing as race. And, to give more context, I refer you to the OP where I explain that I'm talking about the concept of "race" within human beings as it would apply to racism. It doesn't exist. There are sometimes more differences within groups that a racist would consider a "race" than there are between what they consider "different races" within the same geographical area.

http://haciendohistoria.marianistas...2016/02/Taking-race-out-of-human-genetics.pdf

There is no objective definition of "race" in Biology or Anthropology. But, more importantly, within the concept of "racism" there is no "race" that corresponds to any real categorization except whatever each individual racist chooses to adopt.

 

Yes. But bigotry, despicable as it is, is not fundamentally immoral. While it's intellectually dishonest and detestable, and rationally defies logic, it is not objectively immoral as racism is.

 

But most racism is instance specific, similarly to bigotry. In fact, one could argue racism is a form of bigotry

 

I think the way that some people define "immoral", would put bigotry in a category of being immoral (primarily because of the real effects that bigotry generates among human beings).

 

That's what i asked you.

Change your mind from the position you now hold.

 

Do you prefer the term breed then?

 

Only the learning impaired would claim there is a malady (racism) for something claimed to not exist (race). Can you not see just how delusional you look?

 

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/speciation

How does speciation happen in golem's world view? Do two ducks mate and randomly produce two chickens?

 

Racism is a form of bigotry in the same sense that murder is a form of impoliteness.

 

Yes. But racism is immoral in the way all moral people would define "immoral".

 

Ok, I understand. What I would need is a new convincing position to change my mind to. This would need to come with very convincing rational arguments.

 

So you would need a convincing rational argument to dissuade you from an erroneous belief?

I don't think you're rational.

 

Still spreading this fake news lie?

You presume to tell me what I believe?

 

It seems to be an emotional thing.

Race is defined as a group of people sharing a combination of traits.

These combinations of traits are clearly distinctive and exist. Thus race as we describe demonstrably exists. There can be no argument.

I think he's really saying different races aren't different subspecies.

 

You aren't serious (wasting my time).

Bye.

 

You want to play with words, instead of understanding reality.

Call things whatever you will. See ya'.

 

Stubborn as a mule (see what I did there?)

 

Why? Do you have something against the term "Human beings"?

 

You're still here? I completely forgot about you. Sorry to tell you that you missed your opportunity. You see, most of the discussions have evolved to something beyond your capabilities. Interesting thing is that nobody, not even those who queston my position, would support yours.

Better luck next time.