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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Champion Of Gender Equality, Dies At 87

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  1. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    You mean like when Trump hid a lot of Kavanaugh's judicial history?

    You are under a simple misapprehension, we don't need to. Right now there's a few hundred legal beagles going over everything she ever said, wrote or did.

    So we will see.
     
    (original)late, Sep 19, 2020
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    Even though I disagreed with almost every decision Ruth Bader Ginsburg ever made, I still feel she was a positive role model for those who engage in political discourse. Take for example, her relationship with Antonin Scalia.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg was confirmed as a Supreme Court Justice in 1993 and over time became good friends with Antonin Scalia who is pretty much as diametrically opposite in terms of politics as one can possibly be. In terms of the law, Scalia was a strict texualist, and believed there was to be no addition to the Constitution that wasn't actually written. Ruth Bader Ginsburg believed that the Constitution had an over-arching theme of justice and if the Constitution omitted some point of basic human fairness, then it was up to the Supreme Court to make rulings to cover those omissions. On the court, the clashes between Bader-Ginsburg and Scalia were monumental.

    Yet even so, Scalia and Bader-Ginsburg were the best of friends. They ate lunch together almost every day the court was in session. Most often they would brown bag their lunches with Scalia bring Italian food and Bader-Ginsburg bring Jewish food, and they would swap items with each other. Insiders said that Ruth Bader-Ginsburg was bereft and in mourning for years when Scalia died.

    The fact that she could get beyond partisan politics and being in a position of opposition for years with what could have easily been her arch-nemesis is a lesson everyone could benefit from. If she could be best friends with her political rival, then certainly those of us on this Forum who are locked in conflict can certainly make an attempt to treat our opponents as real live people who simply are looking at things from a different reference point.
     
    Lee S, Sep 19, 2020
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    I knew something about her cancer and She was one hack of a worker and pressed on despite everything else. She was the best one of the Supreme Court. When I heard of this, I was somewhat shocked and it saddens me that it happened too soon. When our so-called President heard, he said I didn't know that. I never realized how stupid Trump is.
     
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    Trump is smarter than dems
     
    Moolk, Sep 19, 2020
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    I will be honest with you. I think Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death has a dramatically high chance of costing Donald Trump the election. This was the thing I was most worried about. This will galvanize the left.
     
    HockeyDad, Sep 19, 2020
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    I doubt it.
     
    Richard Franks, Sep 19, 2020
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    If it doesn’t wake up the people who voted third party last time, nothing will.
     
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    Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be missed.
     
    Richard Franks, Sep 19, 2020
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    Remains true regardless
     
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    I'm not sure she will rest in peace... she doesn't seem the type, probably still battling on in the after life... they likely will send her back
     
    scarlet witch, Sep 19, 2020
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    The word drama may not be exact, but try this on for size.

    The first female Jewish justice, she died on Rosh Hashanah, the day ushering in the Hebrew year 5781. I've read that in Jewish lore, Yahweh does not call His faithful home until the last possible moment...the most blessed dying at the end of the year.
     
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    Some freak will now claim Dems kept her body on ice for the best time to announce her passing. And then blame that claim on QAnon.
     
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    what did he hide? haha this should be good
     
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    (original)late, Sep 20, 2020
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    your link says that Bush withheld it due to privledge. not trump. Attorney’s don’t have to turn over client’s protected documents

    and that well over 600k (the most in history) was turned over
     
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    Learn how to read...

    But the cover up was the 100K they held back.
     
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    what was covered up? what was Bush hiding do you think?
     
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    That's a great question, you got me thinking, I'm wondering if there isn't grounds for impeachment in there.

    Wasn't Bush, learn to read.
     
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    your link says Bush. Bush asserted privledge on those documents related to his service in his admin.

    so you have no clue? bill clinton covered up far more documents related to Elena Kagen...should she be impeached?
     
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    Bush had nothing to do with this.

    I'm going to need to see evidence supporting your claim, which I find extraordinarily dubious.
     
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    according to your own link he was the one that said the documents were privledged and therefore held back...did you not read your own link?

    the Clinton and Obama admin only allowed a mere 171K pages of her documents released...https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Kagan-issues_privilege-June-301.pdf

    Kavenaugh had well over 600K plus an actual judical record, with opinons to review
     
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    From your pdf: "By the time the hearings began, the overwhelming majority of documents have been released.." only 2K were held back.

    100K is a lot, and the Trump crowd has a rep. Hopefully, scholars will get access to them after Biden is sworn in. If nothing else, I'd like the matter cleared up.
     
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    trump didn’t site them as priv. They weren’t his documents to say it. Bush did. Read your own link.

    640k is a lot...100k not so much. what was clinton and obama hiding?
     
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    Bush did not assert privilege.

    Hiring Burck was a massive conflict of interest. Basically it screams coverup.

    "If Burck was not running the documents analysis, the politically neutral National Archives and Records Administration would be leading the process. Because NARA has said it would take until the end of October for it to comb through all the documents that Republicans have requested, the Bush White House library offered up a parallel track for digging through some of these archives via a Burck-led team of 50 reviewers. (Former presidents have access to their own administration’s records via the Presidential Records Act.)

    That parallel track has been marred by a hefty lack of transparency, however.

    This past weekend, the White House cited executive privilege and directed Burck to withhold 100,000 documents from public release, with very little clear justification."
    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/4/17819062/bill-burck-kavanaugh-explained
     
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    your link says he did and Burck was Bush’s lawyer.
     
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