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Musk is an Uber-Nazi Mod (Who Controls Content and Stifles Free Speech) just like the last guys...

 

I hope that you had a Happy Hanukkah and will have a Happy New Year.

I appreciate the time you put into your 2 Posts and want to give them the attention they deserve.

We still have out of town guests from NYC and plans for tonight so it may be a day or two before I can respond as fully as I'd like.

Many thanks,


HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND YOURS !

 

I'm finally getting around to responding now that our guests have all left and the holidays are over.

I realize and appreciate how much of your time you've put into your responses. I've also reviewed our exchange and feel that we differ in opinions for the following reasons:

1. You trust and support your thoughts with mainstream Western sources and mainstream academe; Wikipedia, AI and other outlets that must abide by "Holocaust denial " laws and rely on the self serving Holocaust Industry - Lobby (HIL) for statistics and information.

2. I don't think that you know how much influence the JDL and similar hate groups have in the repression of calm, open and honest debate and the discussion of facts that show that the standard Holocaust narrative to be impossible. In over 7 years since I joined this forum, this is the first time I've been able to discuss this topic without hysterically being reviled and insulted for my opinions.

3. We've had different influences from different people. For example, I lived, studied and worked in Germany where I studied the language, its dialects, History and Literature. Additionally, I have spoken at length about this topic with WW 2's German Veterans and German civilians who survived deliberate starvation and fire bombings.
Meanwhile, you've probable spent time with people who have a very different perspective of what happened during that tragic era.

4. You seem to trust what the Holocaust Industry - Lobby (HIL) while I do not. Once an organization or entity proves itself to be deceptive in the beginning, I am unwilling to trust anything it says afterward. For example, the Holocaust Industry - Lobby knowingly tried to deceive the world with fake "human skin lampshades", fake "human fat soap", shrunken heads and fake "human skin pocketbooks".
That compulsion to deceive the world remains and since the beginning, the HIL has been complicit with Hollywood in effectively demonizing the Germans and exaggerating already significant Jewish suffering.

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My point was not that the glasses and shoes were phony props only that they were artificially displayed to seem more plentiful as an example of a deliberate compulsion to deceive gullible tourists who are not told that there used to be a shoe repair shop at Auschwitz and that's the reason there are so many shoes.

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Francois Duprat is not the only person to be tormented and murdered by holocaustian fanatics. Tom
Soobzokov and Elmārs Sproģis were also murdered by the JDL.

Because militant holocaustians fear nothing more than open and honest debate they have been successful in making "Holocaust denial" a criminal offense in almost 20 "democracies". One can stand on just about any street corner and loudly deny the criminal excesses of Stalin, Pol Pot, and / or Mao but if anyone in academe or MSM varies from the script forced on the Western world by the HIL, they severely risk their life, limb, career, liberty and more.

By relying on Wikipedia, AI and other mainstream Western sources, did you ever stop to think of the significance of the fact that all the authors of all the things you read and quote must adhere to the HIL script or they will be locked up for "Thought crimes".

The fact that not one soul in academe condemned the book burning at IHR (1) by the JDL is confirmation of Western academe's cowardice, intellectual bankruptcy and obedience toward the HIL. The same entities (MSM and the HIL) that lied about fake "human skin lampshades" and phony shrunken heads are lying, now, about homicidal gas chambers, "millions murdered" and the magnitude of the so called "Holocaust by bullets".

JDL's compulsion to destroy evidence that proves the standard Holocaust narrative is fraudulent simply reveals the falsehood of the HIL's script.

I hope you'll agree that no one whose interested in the truth about any topic needs to destroy evidence unless they have something to hide.

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Thank you for that. I, obviously feel the same way. The truth doesn't need protection from the State while a lie cannot survive without draconian Holocaust denial laws.

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Eisenhower, Churchill and de Gaulle all hated the Germans and would definitely have mentioned any homicidal gas, steam, electrocution chamber (2) or "Vaporizer"(3) if one had existed.
I think that you have to recognize that in order to gas millions of people you would need hundreds of homicidal gas, steam, and / or electrocution chambers.

The reason I mention the alleged homicidal steam and electrocution chambers is because they, too, were once widely believed propaganda lies that have been debunked over time. The homicidal gas chamber is just one of the last stubborn propaganda lies(4) to fall.

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My father guarded German POWs and I have probably known more German WW 2 Veterans than most Americans and I simply don't believe that the German soldiers were any more ruthless than any other Western soldier.

I have watched the standard Holocaust narrative morph over the decades. Earlier, the focus was on the work camps, gas chambers etc but since very few mass graves and no homicidal gas chambers have been found, the focus is now on the more nebulous "Holocaust by Bullets" at the vast Eastern Front where alone can claim anything and Soviet propaganda was at its best.

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I don't doubt that a homicidal gas chamber could be made to kill people, it's just that it would have been the least efficient, most costly, dangerous and labor intensive way to do it.

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The easy way is rarely the best way. AI sounds little different than Wikipedia which simply follows the HIL's script.

I hope that I've addressed your points in Part 1. Please let me know if you'd like further clarification.

Thanks,


(1) “Violence Against Holocaust Revisionists”
http://www.whale.to/b/zionist.html#Violence_Against_Holocaust_Revisionists_

EXCERPT “At the same time, though, a few prominent voices courageously spoke out against the attack. American historian John Toland -- who received the Pulitzer prize for general non-fiction in 1971 for his book The Rising Sun -- wrote to the IHR:

When I learned of the torching of the office-warehouse of the Institute for Historical Review, I was shocked. And when I heard no condemnation of this act of terrorism on television and read no protests in the editorial pages of our leading newspapers or from the halls of Academe, I was dismayed and incensed...I call on all true believers in democracy to join me in public denunciation of the recent burning of books in Torrance, California.” CONTINUED


(2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


(3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


(4) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.

 

You mentioned AI as a source of information before and I will take your advice and sign up for it. As I mentioned earlier, it probably is similar to Wikipedia which I feel relies too heavily on the USHMM and Holocaust Industry - Lobby to be credible.

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I can't think of a much more impractical, costly and time consuming way to execute large numbers of people than homicidal gas chambers for which: "...there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph" (1).

Still another reason that I don't think that homicidal gas chambers were used to kill millions of people is that all German run work camps got the same amount of Zyklon B per inmate.
Since it is claimed that some camps had homicidal gas chambers and others did not, the "death camps" should have received more Zyklon B per inmate, not the same.

There's also no mention of homicidal gas chambers in secret German radio transmissions. Shootings and hangings were reported but nothing about gassing.

Additionally, the Red Cross and Vatican reported that thousands of former inmates made no mention of homicidal gas chambers and the only people who claim to have seen or worked around homicidal gas chambers either have conflicting stories or make physically impossible claims.

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I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I planned on going to Israel while I was in the region when I got caught in the '73 War.

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I'm pretty sure that I wrote "Zionist terrorist gangs..." and not "Jews..."

During the 10 - 11 months I hitch hiked and walked around Turkey and the Middle East, I had the opportunity to talk with elderly Palestinian refugees who were Nakba survivors that had their homes either stolen or destroyed as well as family members killed. So, the Zionist terrorist gangs may not be the most ruthless and sadistic ethnic cleansers in modern history but to those who survived their torment, they were no better than the Einsatzgruppen.

After all, it doesn't seem fair to believe everything a Holocaust survivor says and nothing that a Nakba survivor says.

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Sorry about that. It was working 2 months ago but information that refutes the standard Holocaust narrative has a way of disappearing due to the militant tenacity of more fanatic holocaustians who complain about "hate speech", "Holocaust denial" etc and anything else to obfuscate the truth.

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Among the many problems with what you feel is an easy process is the desperate need for manpower to do anything other than guard and gas people. The Germans were always outnumbered and simply didn't have the manpower to run operations on the huge scale you''re suggesting in this paragraph.
Forcing the cyanide gas through the shower stall plumbing would require special air handling pumps for starters.

Have you seen the air / gas handling unit that was used for delousing chambers?
If not, I'll try to find a picture to see why it wouldn't work as a shower.

The only homicidal gas chamber made by the Germans was a replica of one made by German POWs for thee NKVD propagandists. It's an interesting story but banned by the HIL and he was threatened with prosecution for telling his story. (2)
This is just another example of the truth being repressed because it detracts from the standard Holocaust narrative.

In the same paragraph you mention the maximum number of bodies possible to be burned in one day. Because of typhus epidemics, they were built to save lives, not kill people.
There was never an instance in which all muffles were in use because the facility lacked adequate coal / coke handling rails and equipment.

Himmler also recognized the propaganda value for the Allies of having so many muffles (ovens):

"In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."

Heinrich Himmler

21 April 1945

Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51.


Finally, even Arno Mayer claims that more people died at Auschwitz from disease and natural causes than were executed.

I hope that I've responded fully enough to your questions. Please let me know what I may need to clarify.

Thanks,




(1) “The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers’”
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p103_Faurisson.html

EXCERPT “Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced.”CONTINUED



(2) "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).


When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

I think we had interesting discussion, even we totally disagree, but I want to comment few things:

The most efficient propaganda is to call opponents negative words, even if they behave as average people do. Republicans are called racists and fascist and Democrats are called socialist and communists.
In America we have a legal lobbying industry, but somehow only organizations which try to defends Jewish rights are called a Holocaust Industry, organization which are fighting for right of Blacks, Native Americans or Catholics are not called Slave Industry, Indians Rights Industry or Catholics Industry. Somehow Jews are treated differently than other ethnics/religious groups.

Yes, Jews have a lobbying organizations, the same as other ethnics groups or professional organizations - if Jewish lobbying groups commit any criminal activity – they should be punished, if they are more effect than other lobbying organizations, they should be imitated.

As I said – I trust the mainstream Western sources and mainstream academia, not because the scientist are smarter and more honest, but because of scientific methods and peer review, where all sources have to be shown. No scientific theory will be accepted if someone will base his theory on documents which are not available. Yes, it is not 100% full proof method, but centuries it proved to be more than 90% true.
And this is the reason I trust Wikipedia too – if shows the sources, which sometimes I check.

Does Western mainstream academia, Wikipedia, AI and other outlets abide by "Holocaust denial "? Yes, they abide the same way as they abide by ‘flat earth denial’, ‘Covid-19 denial’ or ‘Global Warming denial’. IMHO the reason is not Jewish conspiracy, but academia consensus.

It is not true on some sites you showed me. For example I didn’t find Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946 where supposedly freed camp inmates never mentioned gas. Also a link to a supposedly document of American officer in Austria who claimed gas chambers did not exist.

JDL – Jewish Defense League was a violent, racist organization without any influence, which was forbidden to run in Israeli elections. JDL was condemned by most Jewish organizations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane#Election_to_Knesset

I am pretty sure many Palestinians refugees have a valid complains against Jews (Jews fought Arabs in 194, but if you compare facts as based by books like Goldhagen – Hitler’s willing Executioners or Browning – Ordinary Men or some other books or documents – there is no comparisons.

Jews did not expelled all Arabs from Israel’s territory – Germans closed all Jews in ghettos and expelled all Jews from conquered countries to ghettos and latter to concentrations camps and according to the Western academia – the goal of the Final Solution was to murder all Jews.
German took all civil rights from Jews – Arabs in Israel has the same rights as Jews, the only difference, Arabs are not obligate to serve in Israeli army (but some volunteers).

This is not excuse – but Arabs did the same things to Jews, the only difference – Arabs expelled all Jews from conquered territories, Jews expelled only some.

Thanks for civilized discussion!

 

Good Morning.

I want to thank you too for an informative, thought provoking and enjoyable discussion that has encouraged me to think more about my position. I already have a high regard for the Jewish people and their many significant contributions some of which have benefited me, personally, because it was a Jewish friend who got me started in blacksmithing.
You shouldn't be surprised that at the last blacksmith's convention I went to, Israel's Uri Hofi put on one of the best demonstrations.

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As you know, almost every group has special interest lobbies; Blacks have the NAACP & the SPLC, Asians have the AAPI, Native Americans have the NCAI and Jews have the ADL, the AJC, B'nai B'rith and others too numerous to list that defend Jewish rights

What Norman Finkelstein called the "Holocaust Industry" doesn't seem as interested in Jewish rights as it is in marketing the Holocaust, destroying people who challenge the standard Holocaust narrative, tormenting elderly Germans, repressing facts that debunk the standard Holocaust narrative and extorting as much money as possible.
If anything, the Holocaust Industry has been detrimental to the image of the Jewish people partly because of its violence toward those who challenge the standard Holocaust narrative.(1)

I feel that the Holocaust Industry is a malevolent, ruthless and dishonest entity which revealed its willingness to deceive the world from the beginning when they tried to pass off "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads and "human skin pocketbooks".

They knew that these and other things were either fake or staged(2) but they succeeded in deliberately deceiving millions who still think that those fake props were "proof" of how evil and sadistic the Germans were.

Once an entity like the Holocaust Industry proves itself to be dishonest, I don't know why anyone would trust anything it has to say on the topic.

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I don't know why you would trust sources that are prohibited by law in almost 20 countries from presenting anything except the standard Holocaust narrative (sHn).

We don't know how much more similar information is out there because Westerners are prohibited from saying or writing anything that might in any way detract fro the sHn.

For example, Gerhard Schirmer was a German POW who was ordered by the Soviets to build a homicidal gas chamber even though he knew nothing about them.
The NKVD wanted to be able to show the world an authentic homicidal gas chamber but since none existed they ordered Schirmer and other German POWs to make a fake one. Schirmer and the other POWs finished the "gas chamber" but when the press and other interested parties inspected it they noticed the new construction and dismissed it as phony.
In 1992, Schirmer wrote a book about his experience but the book was soon banned, Schirmer was arrested and had a choice of either paying a fine or going to jail. Since he had already served 11 years as a POW, he chose the fine.

I hope you can see what a chilling effect these sHn protection laws have on honest discourse and that you can see how there can be nothing honest coming from academe or mainstream Western sources with such grotesque censorship of the truth.

Just think of the thousands of other stories like Schirmer's that have been repressed because the Holocaust Industry is so fearful of the truth.

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I only looked briefly for Red Cross document No. 9925 with no luck but will try with a different search engine.
The sources I cite all work as far as I know but there are many people who are committed to taking down revisionist web sites so, like Schirmer's book, honest information doesn't last long before enough people complain about "hate speech" and it's taken down.

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I haven't seen or heard evidence that this is true. If Germany's NS Government wanted to kill off all of Europe's Jews, why were there so many exceptions, why is there no mention of a genocidal German agenda either in writing or in secret German radio transmissions.
If there had been a genocidal German agenda there would have been thousands and thousands of incriminating radio transmissions.

It makes the most sense to me that if millions of people were really murdered as per the sHn, there would be so much evidence that there could be no debate. There would have to have been hundreds if not thousands of obvious homicidal gas chambers, thousands of blueprints, work orders and photographs. The "death camps" would have received more Zyklon B than the other camps instead of the same amount per inmate as was the case.

While the entities and individuals that comprise the Holocaust Industry may be few, they, like many similar lobbies, are dishonest, wealthy and very influential but, mainly I'd like to make it clear that my criticism of the Holocaust Industry in no way reflects my sentiments toward the vast majority of good and honest Jewish people.
I am also sympathetic toward the victims of the Holocaust and all who suffered through that brutal and tragic era. At the same time, I feel that the Germans have been falsely accused of many crimes and atrocities that they did not commit.

After all, the victors get to write the history.

I hope I've addressed all the points you raised in your Section 1 and thank you for letting me know which links don't work.

Now, I'll take a look at your Section 2.

Thanks for an enjoyable discussion,




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(1) “Violence Against Holocaust Revisionists”
http://www.whale.to/b/zionist.html#Violence_Against_Holocaust_Revisionists_

EXCERPT “At the same time, though, a few prominent voices courageously spoke out against the attack. American historian John Toland -- who received the Pulitzer prize for general non-fiction in 1971 for his book The Rising Sun -- wrote to the IHR:

When I learned of the torching of the office-warehouse of the Institute for Historical Review, I was shocked. And when I heard no condemnation of this act of terrorism on television and read no protests in the editorial pages of our leading newspapers or from the halls of Academe, I was dismayed and incensed...I call on all true believers in democracy to join me in public denunciation of the recent burning of books in Torrance, California.” CONTINUED


(2) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."CONTINUED

 

Should he be banned from Twitter: