Karl Marx Was Wrong

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    Anikdote Well-Known Member

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    If the goal of this post was to advertise your lack of understanding of the topic and that you've not read a single word that he's written. Congratulations, mission accomplished.

    Since he's a lazy piece of (*)(*)(*)(*). It should be no trouble for you to give us a quick breakdown of how worker and employer interests are aligned in a capitalistism and quickly dismantle the labor theory of value. I'll wait.
     
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    I don't understand the "human nature" argument. How can these right wingers explain revolutionary Catalonia, for example?
     
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    They aren't' aligned in capitalism. And it proves that you have read very little economics or philosophy other than Marx if you believe that the labor theory of value is his own invention. Marx may have given the concept a universal term but it isn't originally his. All he did was apply a social theory to a long existing economic concept.
     
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    Uh oh, now you're in agreement with Karl.

    I don't credit him with the concept of the LTV, but I assume as someone who looks down their nose at his body of work it should be a simple matter to attack it.
     
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    No because as I argued I don't see the two in opposition either.

    Why would I attack LTV? I just argued it. The problem is Marx's own social interpretation of it.
     
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    That doesn't follow, if their incentives aren't aligned then as a result they aren't working towards the same objective.

    Fair enough. The only reason for the challenge was the amount of vitriol in your first response to me seemed unfounded.
     
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    Its perfectly founded. Try and read an unbiased biography of the man and not come to the conclusion that he was pure filth. The man had no socially redeeming qualities. His theories were appealing to him not because of some great social utopia but because they fit with his own repugnant code. Its not surprise that most Marxists I know are morally bankrupt on a personal level very much like Marx himself. They like him think that their deisre to push towards the perfect utopia where somehow redeems their own failings.
     
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    I've not read any biographies because I'm not terribly interested in his personal life. That parts of his body of work, particularly in regards to employee employer relationships, still have application is true though.

    I understand there are plenty of reasons to disagree (I most certainly do) but I try and attack the ideas, not poison the well.
     
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    Sine it is the human element that causes his ideas to fail understanding the human behind the idea is vital to understanding the idea.

    While Marx' writing may be the representation of the idea Marx the man is the absolute representation of the ideas failure.
     

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