Kavanaugh vs Dr. Ford Testimony. The lies...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus
    "False in one thing, false in all things".

    This is a legal principal in common law. It is applied as meaning that if a witness lies about one thing, they bring to question everything they say. There may be, of course, reasons to lie about one minor detail in a testimony. But when the lie is about the substantive part, it's a pretty sure bet that the person is just... lying...

    So let's compare. Here are some lies about the substantive part of Kavanaugh's testimony. And then Kavanaugh's supporter can bring in the same manner (quotes and evidence that it's a lie) Dr. Ford's "lies". Let's see which ones have more to do with the substantial part of their testimony.

    Kavanaugh: "Dr. Ford’s allegation is not merely uncorroborated, it is refuted by the very people she says were there, including by a longtime friend of hers”,"“The evidence is not corroborated at the time,The witnesses who were there say that it didn’t happen.”
    How we know this is a lie: They said no such thing, and they didn't refute it (2 lies). Mark Judge, Leland Ingham Keyser and Patrick J. Smyth said they don't remember the episode. Keyser said in her statement that she "does not refute Dr. Ford's account, and she has already told the press that she believes Dr. Ford's account.".

    Kavanaugh:“I never attended a gathering like the one Dr. Ford describes in her allegation,”
    How we know this is a lie: His own calendar, which he himself submitted as evidence, contradicts this. There he wrote on July 1 "to Timmy’s for skis w/Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi.” And Kavanaugh himself later says "The calendars show a few weekday gatherings at friends’ houses after a workout or just to meet up and have some beers.” Which is exactly the "kiind" of gatherings that Dr. Ford describes.

    Kavanaugh:"[Devil’s Triangle] is a drinking game”, "[Boofing] is flatulence”
    How we know this is a lie: They are sexual acts. Easy to verify. Just do an online search.

    I could go on. But let's give our pro-Kavanaugh friends the opportunity to show quotes (not hearsay... actual quotes) of Dr Ford "lying" under oath (if there are any). With the corresponding evidence that they are, in fact, verifiable lies. And then let's compare them to find out which ones are better related to the substance of the allegations.

    How about it?

     
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    I think a sworn testimony from Ms Ford's ex-boyfriend completely destroyed her credibility as it's proven that she actually coached others how to pass the polygraph test.

    Grassley writes: “The full details of Dr. Ford’s polygraph are particularly important because the Senate Judiciary Committee has received a sworn statement from a longtime boyfriend of Dr. Ford’s, stating that he personally witnessed Dr. Ford coaching a friend on polygraph examinations. When asked under oath in the hearing whether she’d ever given any tips or advice to someone who was planning on taking a polygraph, Dr. Ford replied, “Never.” This statement raises specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results.”

    https://theduran.com/blasey-fords-k...ravels-after-ex-boyfriend-refutes-key-claims/
     
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  3. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Kavanaugh flaty refutes that any party resembling the one described, existed .... anywhere outside of Ford's own imagination. Until the gathering becomes factual it remains fictional. There is no way to establish that Kavanaugh'r rebutals are anything but truthful.
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Ford's done; Kavanaugh will be confirmed.
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    LOL Wow so many fake claims.



    #1 you really need to educate yourself on what "refute" means.

    re·fute
    [rəˈfyo͞ot]
    VERB
    1. prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
      "these claims have not been convincingly refuted"
      synonyms: disprove · prove wrong/false · show/prove to be wrong/false · rebut · confute · give the lie to · demolish · explode · debunk · drive a coach and horses through · discredit · invalidate ·
      [more]
      • prove that (someone) is wrong.
      • deny or contradict (a statement or accusation).
        "a spokesman totally refuted the allegation of bias"
    Their testimony goes 100% against her claim so of course he is right. It was refuted and in spades.

    You just killed your own fake claim with that last sentence. Its how he described what she claimed. You have no idea what his criteria is so to claim you do is in fact a fake claim. Let's hope you have more luck on the last one:

    LOL What they are called now is no guarantee they were called the same thing 35 years ago. For example, Gay never meant homosexuality until a few decades ago. Good Lord dude you don't have clue what a lie actually is.

    Let me show you some real examples of lies.

    Kavanaugh: Has a fear of flying and closed spaces
    How we know this is an actual lie: She not only flew on a regular basis for work and vacation and to the hearings as well but we now have sworn testimony from an ex boyfriend who flew with her regalarly and she never said or expressed any fear of flying.

    See the difference?

    How about another?

    Kavanaugh: Claimed she never helped prep anyone with a polygraph
    How we know this is an actual lie: Once again we have sworn testimony from her ex that she did exactly that f

    See the difference again?
     
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    1) He said/she said.

    2) It is all up to Flake, Collins, and Murkowski.

    3) Get back to me when Kavanaugh has 51 Votes.
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Sorry sport we have her ex and his sworn testimony. She'a dirty liar.
     
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    Oh goodie, another thread about Bret's "lies" when viewed by biased analysis.
    Bret: The Sky is blue.
    Leftist: OMG, the sky isn't blue, its clear and only has the reflection of the water and light. Bret knew this for sure and that makes him a rapist too. LIAR!!!
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    So that's why you can't debate the points raised. Got it.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    How could that "destroy" her credibility? A significant lie of the type I have shown from Kavanaugh might. Got any?... No? ,,,, Didn't think so.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh... don;t be ridiculous. Instead of quoting the Dictionary, quote the lie, and show (as I have) how anybody can tell it's a lie.


    So you are giving more examples of how Kavanaugh lied?

    We have plenty of those. What we need now are quotes from Dr. Ford lying. I guess you don't have any, Since you quote Kavanaugh and not her, right?

    Thanks for trying, though....
     
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    Come back when you can address the massive holes I poked in your claims.
     
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    Don't you find it ironic that the man who lied about being a Vietnam Combat Veteran would bring the concept of "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus" up during the circus?

    BTW, did you know that 35 years ago, "Gay" still meant something about being happy?
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    So you can't go line by line while I destroyed your fake claims. What a surprise.

    And as predicted you couldn't address the lies Ford told. Its clear you can't stomach a real debate.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is he right, though? Is there nobody on the right who knows the meaning of the word "quote"?

    You appeared to be bragging about some skill using the dictionary. Maybe that can help you....
     
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    Still running from my point to point breakdown of your fake claims. No surprise of course.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    One more right winger who can't produce a quote of her lying.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    And yet another right winger who can't quote a lie by Dr. Ford.

    Come on you guys... There's gotta be somebody on the right with at least half a brain.... or no?
     
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    I broke down every single fake claim you made. Every single one. I gave definitions and evidence to back myself up on each fake claim you spewed.

    You have consistentlty ducked each one and ran from the lies I specified Ford has told.

    If you can't debate then why reply? The ball is in your court. Either you have the guts to debate each point or you don't. So far you've proven you can't.
     
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    Kavanaughs college roommate on TV tonight saying that Kavanaugh is LYING regarding how he behaved when he was drunk,the guy who I believe is named Roche,says he saw him behave as Debbie Ramirez claimed on more than one occasion when he was drunk.
     
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    LOL And who cares if he got drunk? He said he never blacked out. God you guys are so pathetically desperate.
     
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    I didn't make any claims. All I did was quote Kavanaugh. And breaking that is not difficult at all.

    What is difficult... apparently more difficult than even I though, is to find a quote by Dr. Ford in which she demonstrably lies.

    I think that's a remarkable discovery I inadvertently made.
     
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    One more Progressive who can't prove she didn't lie......
     
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    He has a long history of lying under oath. He should be impeached without further adieu.
     

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