Keystone XL’s Collapse Leaves Canada’s Oil Heartland Seeking Payback

The weather has always changed and it will continue to do so in a natural progression. The future generations will be fine. They can put wind farms and solar ranches on those uninhabitable parts.

 

Yes and you can say the same thing about trucking the oil through the U.S.

I hate campaign ads. I would just settle for working to get rid of Biden, the great divider.

 

Should the Republicans retake both the House and Senate in 2022 the possibility of impeaching Biden for treason might come into view. With his EOs just on immigration alone he is endangering U.S citizens by allowing illegal immigrants to flood our country during a global pandemic. I consider that treasonous.

 

Presidents can be impeached for wearing mis-matched socks. It is obvious that wrongdoing is not necessary.

 

In the current impeachment environment, that the Democrats have created, you have a valid point. The only problem with impeaching Biden is that we’ll be stuck with Harris (who is probably running the country anyways). Although a twofer might be possible.

 

You are welcome to your view of treason.

However, in the Constitution it is defined differently

The Constitution specifically identifies what constitutes treason against the United States and, importantly, limits the offense of treason to only two types of conduct:
(1) “levying war” against the United States; or
(2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort.”

So, if America was at war, and you fought against the US or aided the enemy, then you could be charged with treason.

Writing an EO to reunite children who were separated from their parents doesn't quite qualify.

Having said that, it shouldn't stop the GOP from claiming that it is treason. They could even argue it is murder, and if they hold majority in Congress they could impeach Biden, and to be honest, I see that coming.

 

Technically speaking you are correct. However, as you also pointed out, arguments could be made to define treason as any act that endangers the citizens of our nation whom the President is, by oath, suppose to protect from foreign and domestic enemies. Covid is an enemy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason

It’s a long shot but who really knows that an impeachment case could not be fabricated on it.

 

You can argue that uniting children with their parents endangers you, but as stated before anyone can argue anything they want no matter how detached from reality. I could sue you for killing my cat, even though I have not owned a cat since I was a kid.

 

Did you suddenly stop driving, or heating you hovel?

 

2020 saw about 3.2 billion barrel reduction in fuel consumption.

 

lockdowns have consequences, or did you forget....

 

Lot of companies are making "work from home" a permanent arrangement, so commuting will be reduced in the future too.

 

So, you agree, the consumption curve was effected by artificial policy. Got it. Also, your number is the global number, not just the US.

 

It was policy? And not a real policy but an artificial one. Ok, if you say so. Good thing we fired Trump, I suppose.

Artificial policy.....darn it.

 

Children are not the only illegal immigrants crossing the borders and Biden signed EOs concerning immigration not directly connected to children. I’m not sure where you got the idea that I was speaking exclusively with regard to children.

Edit to say: I think we are drifting off the topic so this will be my last comment on this.

 

Driving:
General Motors states their objective of producing no more fossil fuel cars by 2035.
Almost ALL auto manufacturers are moving toward an electric futuure.

WA and other states are considering refusing to register new cars that run on fossil fuel by various dates in the 2030 range.

Heating:
Home heating in the US is about 1/2 by gas and 1/3 by electricity. Who the HELL wants to heat their homes with OIL??


==>The idea that we need MORE oil than we have today is an industry fiction.

 

We don’t need fossil fuels damnit! We can run our vehicles on the power of love!

 

NOBODY has suggested we don't need fossil fuels.

I think you need to turn your sentiment into a sensible policy direction.

 

Like building Pipelines - I agree - keep production domestic rather than outsourcing it to non industrialized nations - incentivizing and financing industrialization - of the planet killing kind.

 

America is NOT in the business of working to make it harder for other nations. Nor should we be. We aren't a nation of sociopaths. We HELP. You're making an argument AGAINST yourself.

If we wanted less oil to be shipped, we would close or restrict our huge refinery industry in the gulf states where we import oil to refine and then ship out the refined products.

I see NO reason to believe that XL Pipline oil would make any difference in ANY dimension related to the need of America for oil.

Who the hecek even WANTS the super crappy tar sands oil that costs more to mine than crude oil is worth today? That doesn't even move through a pipeline unless it gets thinned out with some other fossil fuel product.

I just don't see ANY way in which this project makes sense.

Even the "jobs" angle is nonsense, as jobs building a pipeline are temporary and the skill set not particularly needed. These people should be getting into clean energy construction, an industry with a long future of growth ahead.

 

I am not one to label entire nations "Sociopaths" - but - in every nation you have a few.

You can not deal with the argument on the table - so quit pretending otherwise.

You call for industrialization of the non industrialized Nations - chanting "Its the American Way" -

OK Fine have it your way - but, this biggest cause of Environmental Damage both CO2 and Ocean Pollution on the planet .. and continued industrialization at the rate we are going will be catastrophic.

Then you turn around and pretend to care about the Environment in the next breath - don't like Pipelines .. kind of a as long as it is not in my backyard approach.. Full on industrialization - but don't show me the mess.

That about sum up your position to a tee ? .. I think so . ,

 

We can’t help anyone if we don’t help ourselves. You think we will be in a position to help if we keep making sucker deals? The well will run dry eventually and when it does do you think other countries are gonna help?
Pu-lease!

 

No. I certainly did NOT say that.

I'm saying YOUR IDEA is sociopathic.

And, I stated that we HELP other nations. We don't take YOUR direction of attempting to PREVENT other nations from emerging.

The idea that the XL pipeline will cause LESS use of oil is just plain LUDICROUS.

There is NO argument more nutty than suggesting that pumping and distributing MORE oil will cause LESS oil to be used.

 

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Pumping OUR oil now means we have LESS oil in the future that you pretend to be so concerned about. It means we'll have LESS oil when oil is a rare and expensive commodity, because we pumped it today and sold if for almost nothing by comparison.

We will be in a position to help ourselves as well as others by creating a rational energy policy.

Pumping more oil today simply doesn't help anybody in the world today or in the future - with the possible exception of those who pump oil.

 

Again, the planet killing kind of energy is OIL.

You can't pump more oil and expect it not to be used.

Pumping and delivering more oil causes MORE of the kind of damage done by the uses of that oil.

It has nothing at all to do with national borders. Oil and its products are a world wide commodity.