Kiev Fascists Begin Army Offensive

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...avyansk-separatists-retaliate-shoot-down-heli

After a few days of extended verbal foreplay, it was only a matter of time before Ukraine finally snapped and resumed a military operation to regain the lost cities in the east, especially once the warmongering IMF made it explicitly clear that should Ukraine lose control of pro-Russian controlled cities the $17 billion bailout package would be lost too. Sure enough, early this morning Kiev launched a military operation to regain control of the pro-Russian separatist stronghold of Slovyansk, overrunning numerous roadblocks and surrounding the city, officials said, but meeting stiff resistance from militants who managed to shoot down at least one helicopter.

Arsen Avakov said militant fighters fought back against the advancing Ukrainian units with heavy weaponry, including grenade launchers and shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles. There was no immediate sign that Ukraine's forces were moving further into the city.

Separatist leaders claimed to have shot down four Ukrainian helicopters in the clash, Russian state media reported, but Ukraine's defense ministry said two helicopters had been shot down and that two soldiers were killed and several more wounded. Ukraine's state security service confirmed only one Mi-24 chopper was taken down, with one pilot killed and the other taken captive. A spokeswoman for the separatists said one person was killed and another wounded on their side.

Putin's spokesman heaped blame on the Ukrainian government, which took power two months ago after pro-Western protests forced the Kremlin-backed elected president to flee to Russia. Noting that Putin had warned before that any "punitive operation" would be a "criminal act", Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies that this was what had now happened at Slaviansk, where separatists seeking independence or annexation by Moscow are holding seven foreign European military observers.

"While Russia is making efforts to de-escalate and settle the conflict, the Kiev regime has turned to firing on civilian towns with military aircraft and has begun a punitive operation, effectively destroying the last hope of survival for the Geneva accord," he said, referring to a deal on April 17 signed by Russia, Ukraine, the United States and the European Union.




Putin's spokesman heaped blame on the Ukrainian government, which took power two months ago after pro-Western protests forced the Kremlin-backed elected president to flee to Russia. Noting that Putin had warned before that any "punitive operation" would be a "criminal act", Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies that this was what had now happened at Slaviansk, where separatists seeking independence or annexation by Moscow are holding seven foreign European military observers.

Saying Putin had sent an envoy, Vladimir Lukin, to southeast Ukraine to negotiate their release, Peskov said that Lukin had not been heard from since the Ukrainian operation began.

"While Russia is making efforts to de-escalate and settle the conflict, the Kiev regime has turned to firing on civilian towns with military aircraft and has begun a punitive operation, effectively destroying the last hope of survival for the Geneva accord," he said, referring to a deal on April 17 signed by Russia, Ukraine, the United States and the European Union.

Armed groups seeking union with Russia have seized a number of government buildings in towns in eastern Ukraine. The action in Slaviansk appeared to mark the heaviest military response by Kiev since it tightened a cordon around the city a week ago.

"They wanted to carry out some small-scale tactical operations just to scare the people," said a militant manning a checkpoint leading to the army-held airfield. "But so far things have not worked out the way they wanted."

The irony of course is that East Ukraine is for all intents and purposes lost to Kiev, and with the IMF ultimatum hanging over the acting government's head, a civil was is now all but inevitable, a war which will most certainly end up involving both Russia and NATO eventually:

"Shells came into my garden," said one local man, Gennady. "They say that they have come to defend us. But who from?" he said of the Ukrainian forces. "Civilians must stop them." On the town's southern outskirts, eight Ukrainian armored personnel carriers cut off the road but faced a cordon two deep of local residents shouting at them to go home

 

Hopefully Ukraine will arrest or kill the illegal Russian Imperialists and their Moscow agents.

 

Are the centuries-old Russians illegal also?

 

NBC is reporting that Russia is alleging there are English speaking fighters among the Ukrainian soldiers.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...h-speaking-foreigners-fighting-ukraine-n95496

 

English is the most common language spoken on Earth, after Chinese.

 

...and with this, Russia will now have a reason to move on Kiev by the end of summer. Big mistake..big big BIG mistake to have made this move IMO.

 

Just as Hitler used all sorts of excuses to invade Poland.

 

Use whatever historical analogy you want, but it does not change that when one is allergic to bees they shouldn't be poking a hornet's nest. I do not see there now being a chance that all of Ukraine will not be back in Russian control.

 

Ukraine will fight to the death to resist Soviet Imperialism.

 

And they will die fighting and the ones left will be oppressed. The world will not help Ukraine in any meaningful outcome-changing way.

 

If Russia invades Ukraine, The West may indeed provide weapons to Ukraine.

 

Won't change the outcome. Unless the US were to start doing around the clock airstrikes out of Turkey and Germany if and when Russia moves on Kiev, it will be game over in a matter of days.

 

If Russia invades Ukraine and ends up taking a good portion of its land, Russia will face SEVER economic sanctions and be removed from the UN Security Council.

Russia will go into a major Depression.

 

Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council with veto power. The UN Charter (Articles 5 and 6) only allows for expulsion with the approval of the Security Council, ergo, nope.

 

True, but how many Russians would you expect to be speaking it to their comrades in the midst of a military operation? You want to be very clear in those circumstances, so you might use your native language just to be sure.

Which makes me wonder if they really did. I'm still wondering about the 300 members of Blackwater they are fairly certain were sent there. How many more "Ukrainians" might actually be Americans?

True, but did the citizens of Poland generally welcome him? Did a lot of the Polish Army have this annoying habit of going over to his side?

Or go over to the Russian side, or refuse to fight at all, which they've been doing a lot.

IMO, they already are, soldiers too. The CIA is not above starting a war when nobody there really wants to fight

If the US does that the war will be over in a matter of minutes. Your computer won't work any more because, in the unlikely event you survive, there won't be any electricity and you'll be too sick from radiation to care. Russia has nowhere near America's nuclear arsenal, that's true, but what they do have is still more than enough to kill us all, and most of Soviet military development in the final stage of the Cold War was in Civil Defense, planning to use their immense size to spare as many of their people from nuclear annihilation as possible.

I'm not concerned though. I think that whatever rogue faction of the CIA is really behind this only has so much influence. Also, a lot of the atrocities I hear about are only on this board. If WWIII is looming I would think Scott Pelley would have at least one thing to say about it.

 

Do the Western Ukrainians need some help managing their land? If so, the USA has a well armed mercenary group trained specifically to cause incidents which will escalate tensions into a civil war. This mercenary army, normally used in Western USA desert land to harass cattle ranchers, is currently in reserve, but is a rapid deployment force ready to go anywhere there are domestic terrorists identified by the US President, or the Senate Majority leader. Drone support is also available upon request.

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what do you mean? Russians are less than 15% in Donbas

ps

 

They did the same with Georgia, Putin thinks it was hilarious .

 

didn't the West arm the guys in Falluja, now those weapons being used by the extremists

 

Really? Diving to Nazi comparisons in the first page? Well he also used all kinds of excuses to maintain control over groups that didn't want any part of his government.

 

the comparison is accurate.

Hitler used false-flag events, fear-mongering, and feigned calls to protect ethnic minorities to justify his conquests.

Just as Putin is clearly doing.

 

The comparing to Nazis like that is usually seen as a lame last ditch move by someone who doesn't have a real argument, which is why I was surprised that you went right to it, but as I said there is also an accurate comparison between Nazis and the Ukrainians who don't want to allow the Russian areas of Ukraine to secede. Not to mention that a lot of the Ukrainians are actually, legitimately fascists, which is why there have already been many comparisons between the Ukrainian leadership and the Nazis.

 

Kiev fascists. Most Ukrainians wouldn't care, or are opposed to the fascists also.

 

no more Fascists than the Russians.

 

I find it strange and somewhat of a hoot that your sympathies would be with the fascists.