Kiev refuses to pay $7 bln fine to Russia’s Gazprom

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  1. SAUER

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    A new episode of the Russia-Ukraine gas war.>


    MOSCOW, Feb 22 (PRIME) -- Kiev will not to pay a U.S. $7 billion fine to Russian natural gas giant Gazprom for failing to import the agreed amounts of gas in 2012, but negotiations will continue, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich said Friday.

    “We have declined to pay the fine sanctions, we are holding talks at the moment,” Yanukovich said.

    In January, Gazprom sent Naftogaz Ukrainy a bill for gas that was contracted but not purchased.
    http://www.1prime.biz/news/_Yanukov.../0/{B4A2A7D0-8BDE-4FF6-A354-0029A4A5F9BA}.uif
     
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    just wandering , Viktor Yanukovich is still "your son of B", or dont?
     
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    1)Shut the pipe.
    2)Wait till they beg for new contract with 600$ per meter^3 price.
    3)Profit.
     
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    There can be no doubt that Ukrainian authorities often act as typical tricksters («кидалы») and Russia has to toughen its position on this issue.


    As regards Yanukovich I think he’s just “son of a B” with his own agenda and interests.
     
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    and what have we learned from it?
     
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    and what do you want to learn from it, or this was your rhetoric question?
     
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    no, it was not , that authoritarien rules have (most of the time) different interests. and you do much better with democratic or "democrats" regimes , Timashenko is a good example
     
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    In my view, in spite of their political views the contracting parties must meet their obligations ;) .

    And I don’t think that Timoshenko is more democratic / better than Yanukovich. They are birds of a feather.
     
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    Ukraine needs to extract more shell gaz, thereafter it can forget Gazprom for ever!
     
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    yes, she is . but you missed my point, do not you see that the democratic ex-sovet /socialist states are more easy prey for your imperial ambitions then the Authoritarian regimes (belarus, and new is - ukraina )
     
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    do you believe in power of the shell gas? why it does not work in europe?
     
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    Which democratic ex-soviet /socialist states’re more easy prey for Russian imperial ambitions? Could you give an example?
     
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    Which democratic ex-soviet /socialist states’re more easy prey for Russia's imperial ambitions? Could you give an example?
     
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    Ukraine before yanukovich , Latvia , Georgia, are much easy prey for your ambitions then Kazakhstan, Belarus, yanukovich´s Ukraine
     
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    The interesting example. Ok, could you tell me what is a democratic state as you understand it ( the characteristics of a democratic state)?

    And why do you think that Ukraine before yanukovich , Latvia , Georgia are the democratic states?
     
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    Because Europa has too much corrupted politicians who receive bribes from electrical lobby, Arabs and probably some East European exporters of gaz.But a little bit fewer or later the European governemnts will allow extracting of shell gaz because native folks need cheap energy and do not want to pay big bills from Gazprom.
     
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    Because Europa has too much corrupted politicians who receive bribes from electrical lobby, Arabs and probably some East European exporters of gaz.But a little bit fewer or later the European governemnts will allow extracting of shell gaz because native folks need cheap energy and do not want to pay big bills from Gazprom.
     
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    Holy naive simplicity. Reverse the effects of environmental contamination after extraction of shale gas, will be very, very expensive. Approximately how environmental disaster in the Gulf of Mexico rig "Deep Horizon".
     
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    since when you have started to worry about the environment?

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    since when you have started to worry about the environment?
     
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    Of cource we don't. Guess we will do nothing to stop you from wiping your environment out and enjoy 4-leged, 2-headed monsters living to the west in the next century :salute:
     
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    they have the real opposition which come to power via ordinary elections
     
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    Yes they have and it is good. But is it the sole criterion of democratic state?
     
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    no but its the most important one, does your opposition have a chance in the coming election?
     
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    So, you think that the presence of real opposition which can come to power via ordinary elections is the most important criterion of democratic state.
    In 2006 Hamas won election with 74 seats and the ruling party Fatah got only 45 seats. According to your opinion Palestine is a democratic state isn’t it?

    In my view they have no chance, and RF isn’t a democratic state.
     
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    NO, that means that Fatah din not monopolized power in Palestine , and you know EU is ok with Hamas
     

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