Kosovo Forces Seize Serbian Village - War Brews As Serbian Army Mobilizes

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    You go source that it is a fact.

    I dunno why it should be just a European thing when we all agreed that we would never accept this again. Just because it aint on the same continent of the US,... dunno where it said that this matters.
     
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    Funny how so many people believe whenever there is a problem in the USA, government must be kept out of it and miraculously they will solve themselves.

    Yet, when it comes to foreign affairs those same critics believe American government intervention is the exclusive solution to those problems.
     
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    yeah well. We all agreed to never let people get massacred in death camps again.
    And here we are having a person who would let a Jew die in a death camp all over again.
     
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  4. Seth Bullock

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    And the last time I looked, other countries - like UK, France, Germany, etc - have military forces, don't they? If they think some sort of military intervention is necessary, if I were President Trump, I would tell them to saddle up. "This is in your back yard. You take care of it."
     
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    And the last time I looked, other countries - like UK, France, Germany, etc - have military forces, don't they? If they think some sort of military intervention is necessary, if I were President Trump, I would tell them to saddle up. "This is in your back yard. You take care of it."
     
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    That was clintons war and bombing campaign
     
  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Listen to who, the ones who support jihadi terrorists in Libya and destroyed the richest nation in Africa; and who caused the deaths of millions in Iraq and are still supporting terrorists in Syria?

    That photo you posted was taken from inside the camp, not from outside the camp as you were made to believe. Unless I'm mistaken, they were waiting to go in to eat. It was pure propaganda. Belgrade was bombed 78 days, and almost 6,000 people were killed under a pretense of genocide when there was no genocide. The only Albanians that died are the ones who were killed when Nato was bombing Belgrade. I believe it was a little over 1 thousand.

    In the meantime, the KLA terrorists who we supported, were killing Serbs for their body parts - a practice that has now been taken up by the terrorists we support in Syria.

    On a whole though Nato wasn't so bad, after all their forerunners killed 60 thousand during the bombing of Belgrade in WWII. But that's what happens when you don't listen. They should have surrendered and joined Hitler the way Croatia and Bosnia did.

    The problem with Serbia
    is that they are on the wrong side of the Orthodox/Catholic divide in Eastern Europe - which means they need Russia to protect them from a West that loves to align itself with the Islamic world to forward their own ambitions - which of course is to grab land in the East. Oh well, 'stupidity is as stupidity does'.

    Today children in Serbia are continuing to die from cancer caused by the uranium used by Nato.
     
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    As Seth said, if anything like that happened again, it's because you Europeans failed to solve the problems that exist in your own backyard.
     
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    Stop the analogy because the facts don't support them. The reality is, that you don't care how many lives are lost, with the presumption it will save the life of one Jew. I guess this was Albright's thank you to the Serbs for saving her life, and the lives of tens of thousands of others Jews during WWII. Maybe you should go to Israel and ask the survivors who were quite upset with what Washington was doing.
     
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    If there were some sort of systematic war crimes being perpetrated by someone over there - like ethnic cleansing or mass executions - and the Europeans wanted something done about it, if I was the President, I would offer the Europeans intelligence and logistical support. But it would be their aircraft, their marines, and their armies who did everything else. And if they complain that they aren't strong enough to do what the U.S. can do, then I would tell them not to be so damn pathetic and get stronger.
     
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    Well I know where this backyard "rule" comes from. It's an American thing where they installed fascist rule around latin America, for the sake of getting economic gain over the corpses of brown people. I find it a quiet inappropriate remark you made.
     
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    Listen to the rest of the world. Libya is totally off topic.

    The hell it is!

    People got tortured to death, raped, and killed at random in that camp. People got convicted over it.

    It's exceptionally well known the Serbs committed genocide in Srebrenica.
    Same people raged war against Kosovo. All the signs where there again.

    And so them 6000 people who got killed... Serbia is responsible for refusing to stop.
     
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    I put up a picture of a Serb death camp. The facts do support me.
     
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    They do not support you because the picture was taken in such as way so that people will assume they are concentration camps. If you want to know the truth, then let the French General who took part in the whole thing tell you. He said Germany was planning the break up of Yugoslavia for years. Bill Clinton knew fluent German and spoke to the Chancellor every morning.

    That Germany was heavily involved, is obvious from the support they gave their former Nazi allies the Croatians and Bosnians, and how they made their enemies the Serbs the fall guys. This is why Putin began rebuilding Russia's military.

    The whole war with Serbia was built on a lie, and later Clinton bragged about it being a successful war, since no Americans were killed. Morality of course has no place here. But what's one to expect from sociopaths.

    Part II


    Part I


     
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    I'll just let them sort this through. I couldn't care less about Serbia, or about Kosovo. These two were always a problem. Most of the Serbs are always on edge, and most of the Albanians are creating trouble around Europe, smuggling illegals, and of course illegal AKs from the Bosnia War. Albanians in Germany are the leaders of armed robberies. And they're Muslim, happy if Sharia comes. Openly they admit it even!

    They just stay away from Bulgaria and we're cool.

    We need not to intervene or even take sides on these two. It's gonna be the next USA–Russia Cold conflict. I'm tired from all that, people. Really. I'm so tired from all their bullsh*t that keeps repeating itself.

    I only worry about Macedonia, our blood brothers. If this gets to them, I don't know. Macedonians are welcome here and greatly appreciated. Croatians are welcome too in Bulgaria, if this conflict hits them too.

     
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    Only backward humans from Asia, Africa, Arabia and Latinia.
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    The truth has been set in court, .... and people got convicted for random massacring around in that "prison", rape, and torture.
     
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    No they didn't, because it wasn't a camp or a prison.

    It was also proven that Malosevik was poisoned right before he was to go to trial to prove his innocence. After his death he was exonerated of all crimes - while the war criminal Hashim Thaci became the PM, and is now the president of the American colonized part of Serbia known as Kosovo.

    This is from the Guardian:


    Kosovo's prime minister is the head of a "mafia-like" Albanian group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe, according to a Council of Europe inquiry report on organised crime.

    Hashim Thaçi is identified as the boss of a network that began operating criminal rackets in the runup to the 1998-99
    Kosovo war, and has held powerful sway over the country's government since.

    The report of the two-year inquiry, which cites FBI and other intelligence sources, has been obtained by the Guardian. It names Thaçi as having over the last decade exerted "violent control" over the heroin trade. Figures from Thaçi's inner circle are also accused of taking captives across the border into Albania after the war, where a number of Serbs are said to have been murdered for their kidneys, which were sold on the black market.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss
     
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    What I want is for Europeans to take responsibility for their own problems for once, without asking Uncle Sam to sacrifice its young people for them. I don't see what's so inappropriate about that.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarska_camp
    The Omarska camp was a concentration camp[2] run by Bosnian Serb forces

    Human Rights Watch classified Omarska as a concentration camp.

    The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, located in The Hague, found several individuals guilty of crimes against humanity perpetrated at Omarska. Murder, torture, rape, and abuse of prisoners was common.

    You seem to uphold the narrative of a bunch of war criminals who got sentenced up to 25 years.
    How utterly disgusting. Like talking to a gimp who denies the holocaust happened.


    Not true
    Not true. The trial stopped because there is no point to judge a person who is dead.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo'

    The United Nations (UN) war crimes prosecutors investigated the case in 2002 and 2003, and again in 2004, but concluded there was insufficient evidence to prove that the organ harvesting ring existed.

    senior sources in the European Union Rule of Law Mission in Kosovo (EULEX) and many members of the European Parliament have expressed serious doubts regarding the report and its foundations, believing Marty failed to provide "any evidence" concerning the allegations.[8] A EULEX special investigation was launched in August 2011.

    The head of the war crimes unit of EULEX (the European Law and Justice Mission in Kosovo), Matti Raatikainen, said "The fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever in this case, no bodies. No witnesses.
     
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    The inappropriate about it, is stated in my previous post that you're not replying too. You're just repeating what you previously said.
     
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    The First World War began because of conflicts in Yugoslavia with these many peoples of various ethnic/religious groupings hating and killing one another. This was over 100 years ago. In all this time, these people still kill and hate hate each other. For someone like notme to tell us to fix a problem they cannot fix for themselves is absolutely absurd.

    We have problems in the USA as well. Bad as they are, we will never solve them if we persist in sending money, people, and resources overseas while these problems persist at home. We have come a long way towards correcting those problems but we persist and hope for the best.

    As for Europe, the better thing to do is to allow those people to force themselves unto the negotiating table and to stop their endless killings and acrimony. There is no way in hell that we can do that for them. It's time for them to grow up and solve their own problems.
     
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    Being fairly conservative, you and I don't agree on most things, but we agree on this.

    My son nearly lost his life in Iraq. He has deployed to combat zones 4 times. That's where I'm coming from.

    Europeans like to think of themselves as being superior to the U.S. in many ways - politics, economics, education, health care, work rules, civility ... I see them on PF often sort of arrogantly looking down their noses at us. And yet when something flares up right next door, on their own continent, suddenly they're helpless unless the U.S. commits America's young people to fight and bleed and die.

    To hell with that. Again ...

    To hell with that.

    Seth
     
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    A good point. The more "sophisticated" humans do it with remote controlled drones.
     
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    Weird. I never heard about the Greeks killing someone.

    The Greeks were attacked by the Persian Empire, by the Ottomans and were under slavery for 400 years, attacked by the Roman Empire, by Bulgaria, by Nazi Germany, and so on.

    Greece had no colonies too.

    Greece is peaceful as shet.
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