Kushner triess to bribe Palestine!!

But France never ceased to exist yet.
This kingdom of Israel was non existent for some near 2000 yrs.
If you think they still hold claim to that land, then all non native Americans need to get their ass out of USA and give it back to the Natives. Are you kosher with that?

What gives some people who haven't existed basically for 2000 yrs a right to just have some land given to them because of some claim they were there 2000 yrs ago?

 

They didn't get the land because of something 2000 years ago. They got it because they settled it and declared independence in 1948. There never was a nation called palestine either, and that land belongued to the turk until 1918. So the palestinian, using your logic, have no right to a nation there either.

 

Tell me.

Palestines industry is terrorism, and no ones looking to buy any. Palestinians have no money to buy anything, so Palestinie doesn't produce anything. Personally I'm 100% against any western subsidy, or corporate investment in Palestine. As I said, if Palestinians don't oust Abbas over his refusal, it's a lost cause. If Palestinians won't transition from revenues derived from terrorism to revenues realized from developement then let the chips fall as they may. Israel knows how to deal with terrorism.

 

A drop in the bucket, we spend six times that on health care for illegals.

 

True. That is because Israel won't LET THEM do anything. Israel controls their water supply, electric supply, roads, and travel to name a few things. Palestinian water flows about 2 hours a day. Likewise for electricity. Most street corners in the Palestinian communities have Israeli police blockades and they stop and harass Palestinian drivers with vehicle inspections, personal inspections, confiscations of many things unrelated to illegal activities, etc. etc. etc.

If you don't know this, you aren't familiar with the Palestinian situation.

 

We should spend ZERO on healthcare for illegals

 

They're trying to catch the next crazed suicide bomber.

We get it, Palestinian territory is a dump, so are most Islamic countries.

 

Yeah, so they must use water and electric power to be terrorists. Israel won't allow building materials and contractors in to do jobs in many cases. You're making bogus excuses to defend a fascist government and their repression of people, and why?... -because Israel wants Palestinians to give up and leave to live in another country so Israel can take out their lands.

The Us would not stand for the sort of repression Israel is delivering upon the Palestinians if it were another country doing it. And your excuse are bogus. Don't you realize such treatment makes people resentful, angry, and violent? But Israel likes that because it gives them an excuse to kill Palestinians.

 

Absolute nonsense, what the US wouldn't stand for is thousands of rockets fired on our innocent civilians, if that was us Palestinian territory would be a greasy spot on the map. Israel is the only spot of freedom and democracy in the ME, and the left hates them for it.

 

You're being one-sided and given your viewpoint the only solution is to wipe out Palestinians and seize their land and homes. You've completely ignored negotiations, attempts at cooperation, and trying to work together, and instead only see force as a strategy. But like I asked, don't you realize such treatment makes people resentful, angry, and violent? YES OR NO?

Yes. Of course it does. So you are offering nothing to lead in the direction of a solution between the two sides and only want to exacerbate the anger, hate, and violence. What a goal.

 

They did not. It was handed to them after WW2. Which started happening after WWI.
And who were they buying it from? People who didn't want to sell or own?
Prove all this buying and how it was legal from a non Western point of view.

And the people that were called Hebrew/Jew 2000 yrs ago, are no way the same as today. Sure there may be a modicrum of dna, but so what.

 

Islam has been resentful, angry and violent since 611 AD.

 

I never mention buying?!? Are you replying to the right person or are you just venting.
The turk owned that region until 1918. After WW1 the french and britished partitionned it and created modern day syria, lebanon & jordan. The UK kept what was to become Israel and a palestinian state. The israeli accepted the partition and declared their independance. The palestinian did not and tried to take what was israel territory with the help of other arab states. They failed and have been in limbo since then. They tried many time after that to do the same and never succeded and in the process lost more and more of what was supposed to be their part of the partition.

My advice... Stop before you lose what remains. You'll never remove Israel and they'll never give you that land back.

 

Sorry, someone else mentioned buying and I thought you were referring to that.
No, they didn't settle that land, it was given to them.

And I say, the splitting of that land was done wrong. And inventing a new country with people that were not part of the region for 1000s of years was the biggest mistake. As the last near 100 yrs is showing.
The Palestinians should not have had to make a choice tho have their land taken away and split up. Given to some people that had no claim to it some 2000 yrs later.

The west made the ME problem, it's high time they fix it and get Israel out of there.
But if you think Israel should exist based on your logic, the USA should NOT exist as they stole the land that is now the USA.
Give it back to who was here prior as was done in Israel.

 

Wrong. Jews and Palestinians live together with no major conflicts in Palestine prior to the Balfour Declaration. Try another guess.

 

None of that is true at all.

 

Did you ever hear of the "Balfour Declaration"? How about the "White Paper on Palestine"? You're reading lying sources.

 

Via the Balfour Declaration, Britain gave away what was not theirs to give!

 

Are you talking about the Israelites not being in the area for 1000's year? If so, the Israelis have been in the area since before 1200 B.C......about 3,000 years.

 

Israel didn' declare indepedance in 48?

 

Settled as in moving in... independant of the reason behind it.

 

You mean "Jews". There were no "Israelis" until 1947 or so.

 

Israeli cities founded by Jewish settlers in Ottoman Palestine:
Petach Tikvah - founded 1878 by Jews from Eastern Europe
Rishon LeZion - founded 1882 by Jews from the First Aliyah (Eastern Europe and Yemen)
Ness Ziona - founded 1883 by Russian Jews
Rehovot - founded 1890 by Jews from the first Aliyah
Hadera - founded 1891 by members of Hovevei Zion from Lithuania and Latvia
Kfar Saba - founded 1903 by Jews from Petach Tikvah (Eastern European)
Tel Aviv - founded 1909

Yes, the land was bought. Ottomans ruled, it would have been impossible for Jews to just take land from Muslims.

Fun fact:
The Hebrew printing press established in Ẕefat in 1577 was the first in all Asia to use movable type.

Now why would a people who didn't live in Palestine establish there a printing press in a language nobody spoke in Palestine, it's one of those mysteries history will probably never solve.

Another such mystery, adding to the puzzling matter of Jews not settled in Palestine acting like they had settled there, is the number of massacres of Jews in Palestine over the centuries. For instance, the massacre of Jews in Hebron by Turkish soldiers in 1517. Yes, Hebron, the city claimed by Arabs as theirs from time immemorial, where Jewish presence is considered blasphemy. There were many Jews in Hebron until the massacre of 1929, when the survivors were forced out of the city by the British. It's one of the four holy cities of the Jews, by the way. Oh, and the massacre of Jews in Gaza by Napoleon's army. Yes, Gaza. There was a thriving Jewish community in Gaza until the British...well, the same.

There are those who claim that European Jews didn't have the right to settle in Palestine because they were Europeans. Everybody knows that when God made man, he put man on a continent and said "don't you dare leave this continent, or else...". Right?

How about Asian and African asylum seekers in Europe? Shouldn't they be shipped right back to their continents, because, you know, God said "don't...or else..."?

Now it's your turn to tell us about the ancient native indigenous non-Jewish Palestinian nation. When and how was this nation born, where, what are their foundational myths, names of great personalities in political, economical and cultural Palestinian history, relations with neighboring nations throughout centuries, mentions in other nations' historical records (trade agreements, for instance), daily life (laws, customs), archaeological findings (pottery, coins, documents), landmarks in social, political, cultural, spiritual and scientific activities, legends, linguistic particularities, and most important of it all, why in the name of all flying pigs would such a nation choose for itself a Latin (probably of Greek origin) name containing a letter that's not in their alphabet and they can't even pronounce (that's the letter P, of course).

 

And both Jews and Palestinian Arabs live in those cities together.

Yup, by Turkish soldiers.

Oh come on. The REAL problem that you failed to mention was that European Jews didn't just buy homes or land to build homes and then move their families into Palestinian neighborhoods. They came in and TOOK OVER Arab lands at gun point and committed plenty of atrocities when the indigenous Arabs objected.

So you need to stoop to ridiculousness to confront the facts that are stacked against you?

If your claim is that Palestinian Arabs weren't there, then how is it that the Zionists in the late 1940s and 1950s were fighting indigenous Palestinian Arabs there and taking their land? Hmmm?

 

The Pharaoh Merneptah (reign 1213-1203 BC) must have been a seer then, because he mentioned the Israelis in his stele in 1208 BC.

The proven Kingdom of Israel existed between 930 BC to 720 BC before it was destroyed by the Neo-Assyrian Empire. There is a question on whether it was broken off from the United Monarchy (which is believe to have not really existed) into the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. However, there is little doubt that the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah did exist.



Some people claim the Palestinians were there before the Israelite or the Jewish people. Anybody that knows history knows this is not true. Back in BC, Palestine was not a people or a place, it was a region. Palestinians, specifically, were not recognized as a people until sometime in the 1960s, though Arabs had settled in Palestine prior to that. The Palestine region was not settled by Arabs until after the Islamic conquest of Syria, sometime in the 7th century.....about 1,500 years AFTER the Israelis.