LANNY DAVIS: COHEN NEVER WENT TO PRAGUE AS STEELE DOSSIER CLAIMS-DOSSIER IS FALSE

There was never misleading, because no one has addressed a single point: The accusations against Page were false, they were never materially true. The evidence gathered against Page to support the accusations were equally as false. It is a CRIME to submit false evidence.

The reason no one has refuted such criminal activities of course, is that it can't be refuted. We know the information is false, and we know it was wrongly and inappropriately used. The FBI was not 'vindicated', if Jeff Sessions asked me to indict James Comey right now, I'd gladly indict him to a Grand Jury. There's enough public evidence to make Perjury stick.

 

YES that's NOT TRUE. The dossier contained false information and that false information was used to seek and get a FISA warrant. The FBI had an OBLIGATION to verify the information else not use it to seek the FISA warrant. And meeting with Russians is not against the law and certainly does not warrant a FISA warrant being issued on you and you being put under surveillance.

 

Who offered them emails and when? They didn't need them and the Trump campaign didn't release any emails

And what was so bad about the Emails, are you saying Clinton lost the election because the voters found out what she and her staff and the DNC were up to? IOW they rightfully lost the election?

 

The only thing that could justify it, was the criminal conspiracy with Rosneft that never happened. That the FBI had no proof of happening, other than the claims. Why doesn't anyone find it odd that A: Page isn't arrested yet and B: To our knowledge, they haven't sought a renewal. Hell, has Carter Page EVER spoken with the Special Counsel? To my knowledge, he hadn't and given the FBI's use of the FISA warrant, we'd have to say he was among the first people on their radar.

This tells me, that Page is of no interest to them. It also tells me, that just as they had no evidence of criminal wrongdoing to start, they had none even AFTER the surveillance.

Make no mistake, even if Trump is nailed to the floor with this Cohen issue, these other violations aren't going to go away nor are they excused.

 

Seems to me that no reputable lawyer, (and Cohen, decidedly, has reputable lawyers) would recommend their client plead guilty to something that isn't a crime. In the United States of America, people are not prosecuted for non-crimes.

I think we have to consider that Cohen did commit a crime, was caught, and advised by his legal team to plead guilty, and the idea that he was charged with something that wasn't a crime is simply wrong.

Weisselberg has an immunity deal. That indicates he must answer any questions he is asked truthfully, even if it would incriminate him, and he cannot take the 5th. He doesn't have to worry about anything incriminating though, because he is immune from prosecution. This is the time to admit any crime he has ever been involved in, because by putting it on the record, he's protecting himself from future prosecution. If he leaves something out, they can come back and prosecute him later, and the consequences would be more severe, because there is a record of an immunity deal. You don't take an immunity deal unless there is a possibility of prosecution. You don't get prosecuted without evidence of a crime.

 

I would have sworn you were following this case. If you don't know the answers to the very basic questions you just asked, there's really no reason for us to be discussing the matter.

This thread is about Cohen.

 

I need a reputable link that shows the accusations of Page were untrue, and that the evidence gathered was false.

It can't be refuted? Sure it can. There's either evidence to support the claim or there isn't.

Whether you would indict Comey or not is immaterial. If you express that attitude, you'd be excused from the jury for prejudice. Jurors are supposed to look at the evidence and make a decision based on the evidence, not on what you think.

The FBI absolutely was vindicated in the FISA mess with Nunes. Nunes was discredited and eventually admitted that the dossier's origins was given to the FISA judge, in the footnotes.

Evidence of perjury? I assume you have a reputable link to back this up?

 

A lot of us are following along and digging through numerous sources and numerous stories, but to be honest with you, you are making so many false claims and so many misstatements that some actually border on outright lies. Let me give you several examples so you can see what I mean.
This is outright false:

This is not collusion in any way shape or form. Taking a meeting with someone offering dirt is not "collusion". Especially when that meeting was orchestrated by members of the DOJ, DNC and a group trying to set up the Trump campaign. You can read all the details here:

https://www.realclearinvestigations..._meeting_looks_increasingly_like_a_setup.html

This is a lie at worst, unbelievably naive statement at best:

You know better than this. People go to jail or are incriminated on a daily basis for things they haven't done or with a lack of evidence. The same can be said of the reverse. People never go to prison or are convicted of crimes despite the fact that there is overwhelming evidence. People go to jail especially if they anger the wrong people who can put those people in jail. Peopel are above the law in America. Hillary Clinton is one of many. So I am sorry, but this is an outright lie. You know better than this.

This is misstatement at best, a falsehood at worst:

This is.... geeez, so wrong. Nunes is still trying to get documents and redactions lifted from the DOJ/FBI and they are refusing to turn them over. The FBI has not been vindicated in anything right now and neither has the DOJ. Both of these agencies look to be about as corrupt as they could be. A lot of these people deserve prison for what they did. The doubloe standard and the horrible treatment by some depending on which party you belong to is what happens in 3rd world countries and that is what the Obama Administration nearly turned us into. As it stands right now, we literally in the midst of a coup attempt by the DOJ/FBI to destroy the President.

I know you disagree, you fall on the side of "its OK if we get away with it, but not you" style mentality. And that is outright dangerous to our Republic. It's also insulting to say that we are not paying attention. We are, we see through the lies and double standards and the crimes that were perpetrated by those sworn to uphold the Constitution. They failed miserably and we all know it.

and yes, that Dossier, was illegal, false and those who put it together to spy on the Trump campaign should have been thrown in jail.

 

They're wasting time. The need to allow the Democrats to go after Kavanaugh tooth and nail so the American people can see them for who they really are.......before the mid-term. The turtle's got 2 months to get it done. That's what I love about Trump's tweets it makes the left media publically Looney so viewers can see them for the biased boneheads they really are. Did you see Phillip Mudd go ballistic on Paris Denard? It was priceless.

 

The entire investigation was started on a fabricated LIE...and it all leads back to who? Clinton’s but hurt over losing. Every scandal came from a fabrication. That’s tje most extreme level of deep state corruption. FBI investigators admitted it all in emails. They were going to get him and prevent him from being elected. Holy **** corruption?!!! Cmon.

 

Attempt to dodge noted

Thievish about collusion and the emails too.

And what was so bad about the Emails, are you saying Clinton lost the election because the voters found out what she and her staff and the DNC were up to? IOW they rightfully lost the election?

 

Mercy me, you have made some very strong charges with nothing to back you up. I have NOT made false claims or misinformation, and I certainly haven't lied.

Let's straighten out some misunderstandings.

First, here is the definition of collusion-

Don Jr's emails specifically spelled out that the Trump Tower meeting was with representatives of the Russian government, with the intent to share compromising material on Hillary Clinton. That is most certainly illegal, because accepting anything of value from a foreign government is a violation of campaign financing law.

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52 section:30121 editionrelim)

Meeting to discuss an illegal act certainly meets the definition of collusion. It's also conspiracy.

Sorry, I'm not going to accept an opinion article as a reputable source of fact. Even the title of the article says, "it's beginning to look like." How ironic that you accuse me of misinformation and site an opinion as your proof. From the second paragraph of your link…

This view, that the real collusion may have taken place among those who arranged the meeting rather than the Trump officials who agreed to attend it, is supported by two disparate lines of evidence pulled together for the first time here: newly released records and a pattern of efforts to connect the Trump campaign to Russia.
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Then you go on to say… "Especially when that meeting was orchestrated by members of the DOJ, DNC and a group trying to set up the Trump campaign." You use the word "when," not "if." That's fact, and I'm the one misrepresenting things? lol We have Don Jr's emails with Goldstein mentioning Aras Agalarov, a known business associate of Trump and a Russian oligarch, wanting to set up the meeting. What EVIDENCE do you have of the DOJ and DNC trying to trick Don Jr and set him up? An opinion piece that says "there was a pattern." Is that really what you want to run with?

Now, if Mueller's report comes back and says the Clinton campaign conspired with Russia to set up the Trumps, and provide them with stolen emails in order to hurt their own campaign, I may agree with you. I'm not holding my breath. It is illogical to believe that DNC conspired with Russia to hurt their own campaign by tricking Don Jr into a meeting to illegally get oppo research, especially in light of Putin specifically stating, on television, that he wanted Trump to win. Do you really believe Manafort, with decades of political experience and a known dirty trickster, would fall for that, and that he didn't understand the implications of accepting something of value from a foreigner?

Please cite me cases where someone has been prosecuted without evidence. If someone has been incriminated (your word,) that means someone else has given evidence to law enforcement. So, there is evidence. It may be bad evidence, but that doesn't mean there is none. In the United States, innocence is assumed and guilty must be proven- with evidence. I'm not saying that people are never found guilty erroneously, because that does happen, but there is some kind of evidence. No evidence = no case = no prosecution.

Being put in jail is decidedly different that being prosecuted. If you are suspected of a crime and are arrested, you may be put in jail. Then, if there is no evidence to keep you or prosecute you, they let you out of jail. Don't conflate the two.

I don't know where you get your news, but Devin Nunes absolutely was discredited on his FISA claims, he begrudgingly admitted it, and he absolutely tried to mislead the public on the FISA with his "memo." Claiming that a FISA should show the American people something is completely misleading. Generally FISA applications are classified, and most Americans didn't even know there was such a thing as a FISA request, much less would expect it to be written for their own information.

Nunes can keep asking for more and more information, but so far, he's been wrong and he did attempt to deliberately mislead, just as Trump did when he claimed the FBI "tapped his wires in Trump Tower." His actions are also perilously close to obstruction of justice, and the Republican appointed DOJ has pushed back on the release of classified information during an active investigation, as they should.

That you see a double standard is telling. I also sense projection in your post about what I think and what I don't think. You don't know me, or how I think, but you've attempted to pigeonhole me and argue against what you think I know. You've insulted me in your post by either directly stating or implying that I am lying and spreading misinformation. I may make a mistake, as all humans do, but I don't lie.

If your opinion is different than mine, we disagree. That doesn't make either of us a liar.

With that said, I'm going to bow out of this conversation.

 

ROFLMAO Lanny Davis is not a reputable person let alone a reputable lawyer. He is the one who said paying off Lewinsky was not a crime and even though Clinton used his power as President to pay her off was not an impeachable offense.

 

No dodge, you already know the answers you seek.

What was so bad about the emails is that they were dripped out slowly enough to completely occupy the media cycle. That was intentional. If the email release didn't help Trump, why did he constantly mention them and Wikileaks in his speeches, or call for Russia to find them? There was not much in the emails. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz lost her job, but not much else.

 

Who is Guy Petrillo?

 

FAKE NEWS=> Lying Lanny Davis Admits He Lied to Media About CNN Bombshell Trump Tower Meeting Report

 

We have a deep problem with crooked prosecutors in this country, something the Black Community has been sounding the alarm over for two generations.

Time to clean it ALL up!


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Jeff! Get that bastard!

 

Dodge noted again.

So what's the big deal if there was nothing bad about them? They didn't show what a wonderful person is Hillary?

 

Why don't you try addressing what I posted? Read the OP subject.

 

*sigh*

If you're not going to read my posts, don't bother responding. I've already told you what the problem was with the emails…. in the very post to which you responded.

Apparently you are unaware that Guy Petrillo is the lawyer that negotiated Cohen's plea deal. You seem to think that Lanny Davis is his only lawyer. So, actually, I did try to address what you posted. If you had Googled "Guy Petrillo," you'd know why I said what I did. However, you proved you didn't know that Cohen actually has other lawyers. Lanny Davis is performing the same role for Cohen that Giuliani is performing for Trump. I wasn't referencing Davis in the post to which you responded with denigrating rhetoric toward Davis.

I'm not dodging anything. You're either not reading my posts or not comprehending them.

 

That's fine. Nothing you really said any any substance or had any legs anyway. You can't ignore facts and then expect someone to take it seriously or take it objectively.

Telling lies may be just being disingenuous. But what you said, given the circumstances, I am correct. I think you know better. We both do.

Have a great Saturday.

 

I'm the one waiting for a response.

Apparently you aren't aware Davis is his attorney

Michael Cohen picks Bill Clinton's ex-spokesman Lanny Davis as new attorney
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/michael-cohen-picks-clintons-ex-spokesman-as-new-attorney.html

And what has Davis been all these years but the Clinton's "fixer". Two peas in a pod.

 

I have already answered your question on why the emails were bad.

Obviously, you are unaware that Cohen hired Guy Petrillo and that Guy Petrillo negotiated the plea deal.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/19/trump-lawyer-cohen-hires-guy-petrillo-as-new-defense-attorney.html

Newsflash, Cohen has a former prosecutor negotiating plea deals and a PR lawyer on television. Giuliani isn't Trump's only lawyer either. He's the TV lawyer.

 

No haven't you said something about they were not released all at one time.

And Lanny Davis is his personal attorney and spokes person. The guy how was "the fixer" for the Clinton's.

 

That's right. I said they were not released all at one time. They were dribbled out over a long period of time. Trump would do something outrageous, and emails would dribble. Then Trump would so something else outrageous, and more emails would dribble out. The innocuous dribbling emails were contrasted to Trump's outrageous behaviors, and spun as if they were equally bad. They weren't.

I am aware of Lanny Davis's background and have even said, in this thread, that Lanny Davis was acting as Cohens' Giuliani- a television lawyer spinning PR. I was also aware that Guy Pertillo is the mover and shaker behind the scene, and is a reputable and respected former prosecutor, who negotiated Cohen's plea deal. You were arguing that Cohen pleaded guilty to something that wasn't a crime, and alluded to Lanny Davis being incompetent.