Last night we had another democrat debate with no American flag on stage.

Does the flag that represents the very foundations of what is going is occurring during a political debate really perplex you that much? You can thank those who sacrificed to allow that debate to occur for your ignorance of what freedom cost. Your really nothing more than a spoilt brat unsure of why they have what they have but sure it's not enough, so you whine.

Your ignorance is pathetic, even more so that you publicly show it . But no worries, the power and ideology behind the flag your do not respect still protects you leech.

 

I don't know that, but certainly if any company or group has an event that is totally their program- you can damn well bet they have a strong hand if what it will look like.
If they don't, that doesn't make them look like people who should be given charge of anything.

It's not what the solid repub or dems think. It's the swing people- particularly the large number of old-school dems who are asking "What the hell are you doing to our party?" That's the votes up for grabs. the less the like what they see, the less they are likely vote for it, and they are already sick and tired of the nonsense change and radicalism.

Doesn't matter to me- I'm pretty sure the election is already in the tank for the dems anyway.

 

The event isn't "totally their program." Debate stages are designed by third-party companies employed by the hosts, e.g. Clickspring for CNN and NBC, Seth Easter Design for ABC, together with various specialist lighting, fabrication companies, etc. For example:
https://www.newscaststudio.com/setstudio/cnn-democratic-debate/
https://www.newscaststudio.com/2019/09/13/abc-democratic-debate-stage-design/

If you think that candidates should nonetheless have the time or inclination to get involved, you need to apply the same standard to republicans, and ask why they also failed to have any flags in any of their 2016 presidential TV debates.

Here, for example, is a comparison of the 2016 republican and recent democratic ABC debate stages:

Republican 2016




Democratic 2020

 

Presumably this also applies to republicans, who also had no flags on stage in 2016. Nor, indeed, can I find flags in any of their news channel hosted debates.

 

Point made. Some events are invitational, and I suppose most debates are. Unfortunately, news "reporting" these days often fails to keep balance. I saw pictures of dem debates, no flags. When I look for pictures of Rep events- no flags either, which confirms your point. Given both appear to use this policy, there aren't any conclusions to be drawn about the parties themselves. So- I looked into how these events are created.

Seems that per Wikipedia- The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is a nonprofit corporation established in 1987 under the joint sponsorship of the Democratic and Republican political parties in the United States.The CPD sponsors and produces debates for U.S. presidential and vice-presidential candidates and undertakes research and educational activities relating to the debates. It has run each of the presidential debates held since 1988. The Commission's debates are sponsored by private contributions from foundations and corporations as well as fees from hosting institutions.

That would makes the debate forums a neutral venue in terms of decor. I stand corrected.

 

right, affirmative action. I already said that.

 

That is the way the election process works according to the Constitution. Putting an artificial label on it does not change it.

 

I would echo what Spirit guide said above. You have made a good point. However, after looking deeper into the subject, it seems that this has usually been addressed via flag lapel pins, and most (not all) candidates have historically donned them. This year, it seems that only 6 of the 20 Democrat candidates chose to don them, and thus some of the same dynamics still apply.

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:6033450259

 

I know how it works. I'm pointing out republicans were only able to win the presidency in this century because of affirmative action. The people rejected them both.

 

The republicans won according to the Constitution.

Just an idle comment. You can take it for what it is worth. Our vote is apparently worth more than yours. Yet the democrats appear to be intent on driving us away. It would appear that if the democrats really wanted to win, they would be courting our vote rather than driving us away.

 

you are arguing a point I'm not disputing.

lol who are you trying to kid? If Ronald Reagan was reincarnated in Mayer Pete, and he suddenly changed his platform to one identical to Reagans, you would still not vote for him because of the D in front of his name.

The sad fact remains, our broken election system has led to 2 presidents this century who have been rejected by the people. Which is an absolute travesty to a free society.

 

I am not trying to kid anyone. The Midwest has the electoral votes to swing the election. Yet, without exception, the democrat candidates are making promises that do no fit Midwest values. It might satisfy their base, but it will not win a general election.

I vote for people with D by their names. It has never happened for a president. If I had been old enough to vote for Truman, I suspect I would have voted for him.

However, I did not vote for either Trump or Hilary because neither deserved my vote. As a person, I do not like Trump. There are several democratic candidates who I would probably like more as a person. However, I do not have to like a person in order to believe they do a better job as president.

 

And there is nothing wrong with that. I agree with pretty much all you have said above. But the election system in this country is broken. The EC is completely outdated and has served to be a detriment, twice, in this century alone. 2 out of the last 3 presidents were soundly rejected by the people, yet still won. That should never happen in a free society. The EC made sense at it's inception, but no longer.

 

Not everyone agrees it is broken. The smaller states believe that the larger states will take advantage of them without more representation than popular vote. This argument has take place previously and we could argue about ti for years with no agreement.

The Constitution is what it is and it is not likely to change in the next decade or next few decades. You have to live with the way things are, not the way you would like things to be. That is the nature of life itself.

 

of course not. African Americans don't think affirmative action is unfair either. Doesn't change the fact that it is.

The opposite is happening under the EC. a vote iin WY carries 3 times the weight a vote does in CA. That's ridiculous and fly's in the face of what this country is founded on, which is equality. Every vote should count the same.

I've never argued otherwise.

 

We are called the United States of America. We are not just a bunch of people. We are a group of states. Regardless, the Constitution is what it is. Live with it.

 

nah, I'll try and change it for the better. That's what patriotic americans do.

 

Do you believe that someone does not want to change is not a patriot?

 

if they are harming the country and it's founding principles by not wanting to change? absolutely, they are no patriot.

 

In other words, if they do not agree with you, they are not patriots. That is the attitude I was referring to earlier. Your attitude and the attitude of many of the democrats simply do not fit with our values. And because of that attitude, Trump will likely win in 2020.

 

no. if they are against equality in a free society, they are not patriots.

my attitude is that of the majority of americans. Even trump agrees the electoral college needs to go.

 

Sure. Then I must be a patriot. My state is equal to yours.

 

In what way??

 

If your vote in your state, or my vote in my state carries more weight than a vote in another state, that is not equal and needs changed.

 

It has to do with states rights and large states dominating small states.