Law Enforcement Reform: A rational discussion

So you're saying the referenced post was fact free?

Well, I agree.

The referenced post was yours.

 

No I'm saying you haven't provided any facts merely character assassination.

 

That you choose to ignore the facts because they don't fit your views is a problem you need to solve.

 

In this story:

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/atlanta-police-shoot/HIWSHHVTVT42FTC5CDE7JVKNHU/

A man fell asleep, most probably drunk, in a Wendy's drivethru. The story describes how it went with an overarmed PD and officers always willing to turn to force as a first resort.

BUT how might this have gone if the first responders were Public Service Officers instead of Police officers.

The call is made. The PSO shows up. After evaluating the situation he calls the driver an UBER, at city expense, helps the man park his car, arranges with Wendy's to leave the car on site overnite, and sends the man on his way.

It depends on what you feel the purpose of the police should be.
Make sure that man and everyone else gets home safely or
Make an arrest and all that goes with it.

Which path would serve the public interest?

 

What facts have you presented? 0, nada nil. You have simply presented your uninformed leftist bull dookey. And here I thought you wanted a serious conversation. I should have known better.

 

As noted.

You refuse to see what you don't like.

Sounds like a "YOU" problem to me.

 

That would be your problem not mine. I look at actual facts and statistical evidence. You deal in preconceived notions.

 

sure you do. As clearly contra-indicated by:

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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys - p.j. O'Rourke

When buying and selling is dictated by legislation the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. - PJ O'Rourke."

Seems you live a fact challenged existence. No surprise. The inability to see the world for what it is is the core of Trumpism.

 

Oh ok so stating facts is bigotry in your world?
Name one thing I said that isn’t based on reality.
Who wouldn’t fear a crime wave with a weakening of the police force. Are you that naive?

 

Yes we do.
Do we stop driving because some one we know does in a car crash?
Do we ground all planes when there is a plane crash?

 

Until the left can stop telling lies about racism we can never have a discussion.

 

How about reducing the number of criminals with Guns - by reducing the number of criminals - by repealing bad and illegitimate law - such as Pot laws. We reduce the number of criminals by more than 40 million overnight.

 

Here y'all go. My solution

 

I'm all for that. Non violent crime - like simple possession - needs to be decriminalized.

 

Why is this not more in the public conversation ? - I find this troubling.

As POTUS - for a day - how about this as a "Tough on Crime" platform - I guarantee that I can reduce the number of criminals in this nation by 40 million !

and that is "regular users" add occasional users into the mix and those who have tried it and inhaled - and you can add another 200 million to the total.

240 million criminals - turned into non criminals - with the stroke of the executive pen.

Is this crazy talk ? - and if not - why is the MSM not touting this obvious "Solution to Crime" - to the high heavens.

We are getting to that conversation - but way too slow.

 

Two words - private prisons.

 

Two more words - "Asset Forfeiture"

 

Signifies willingness to prostitute yourself like Nancy Pelosi, or to bend over and get a flashlight exam for covid 19 virus like Trump

 

Well there is a lot of problems in our justice system and law enforcement system.

Where to start is a bit daunting but if I was tasked with coming up with a solution is start with prison reform. Eliminate private prisons or set a different standard in how they are paid. It's hard to fix criminal Behavior if it's profitable to keep them in prison. Also I think it should be designed to promote reform as people say it is but isn't really. And at the point we have decided you have paid your debt to society or you have been reformed your status sould crease to be ex con.

I think this is a far greater problem with regard to human rights.

As for the police, they should be bound by state federal and local code not by governors and mayors. I would support an agency that provides oversight a third party organization that is controlled by the state or federal government and that should be where reports about police are made filed and investigated sort of like a better business bureau for police.

 

Both problems are very big problems. I think all civil asset forfeiture should be illegal unless it can be proven that the asset was used or obtained by illegal means.

 

Tyranny is great as long as you agree with it.

 

This is an excellent point. Eric Gardner was selling cigarettes and not charging tobacco tax. Even though he paid it when he bought them unless he bought them internationally.

It wouldn't have been an issue if there state and municipal district had not enforced that law.

If it's wrong for a convince store to sell cigarettes without collecting the requisite sin tax it's just as wrong for Eric Gardner to do it.

 

The conflict of interest is overwhelming - and many succumb. Then there are the invasion of privacy issues - Rule of Law issues - not punishing one person for the crime of another - coupled with punishment fitting the crime .. So some person who owns rental property in the slums does not watch close enough .. the punishment is what ? then there are selective enforcement issues and so on.

Legalize Pot - and remove 40 million criminals from the list.