Lesbian couple attacked in London

Well, here's the thing: Would Jesus have condemned the Nazis? Absolutely. Even a quick skimming of His teachings would prove that.

But. Did the Nazi's consider themselves Christians? Well, they wore "God is with us," on their belt buckles so they sure thought so. Were the Nazis - for all intents and purposes - following to their logical conclusion almost two thousand years of history from Organized Christianity detailing how The Church should treat the Jews? Absolutely they did.

You're asking for discernment between Jesus' teachings and the actions of His church on earth who say they're following His will. I'm gonna say your typical Jew being herded off to Auschwitz at the point of a gun won't be able to see too much difference between the one and the other.

 

Probably left over from WWI. Jesus said his followers were those who follow His commands, not those who wear slogans on belt buckles.

No they didn't, you're treating aberrations as normal, God said "I will bless them that bless them, and curse them who curse them" referring to the Jews. Jesus and the early church were Jews, nowhere does the Bible mandate anti-semitism. What Hitler did was a gross violation of the Golden Rule, for starters. His motivation was from Darwin, not Jesus. You don't judge a philosophy by its misuse. Note FDR in his speeches of the time said we were defending Christian civilization.

But we can make such discernments on this forum today, I would hope.

 

Really? The race of suspects is always relevant? What about their hair color? Eye color?

It could be important information if the crime was motivated by race, but otherwise?

 

You think that following normal criminal procedure is "tolerating" something? This sounds like common assault. I suspect that most people charged with common assault in the UK are released on bail. Do you have anything that says these guys are being treated anything other than normally?

 

No they weren't.

You get too many of these aberrations, you get a pattern and then it becomes the norm. I remembered THIS list from my time over at the World Events forum where The Usual Suspects would continually bash Israel and they would trot this list out over and over and over again. They used it as proof that the Jews must have been evil else why would people kick them out? I'm using it because the people kicking them out all the time - what religion were they again?

That many times? That's not an aberration - that's policy. And then you look at THIS. C'mon, man. The Church willed the ends, the Nazis willed the means.

I thought I made it clear that there was a separation between Jesus' teachings and the teachings of the Church. They're supposed to be one and the same, but for all intents and purposes they're two entirely different things altogether. Note that I mentioned "Organized Christianity" - I view that as entirely divorced from Jesus' teachings. Organized Christianity has been responsible for some of the worst kinds of cruelty out there. The Bible doesn't mandate anti-semitism - but Organized Christianity does, and I can't see how you can argue against that, especially in light of all the historical evidence proving otherwise.

Well removed from a church that's out there seeking to kill people who disagree with it? Yep.

 

True but why are they being given special status, it's not like gays are an endangered species. Two people get assaulted - happens every day.

 

Blessed are the cake bakers?

 

I wasn't commenting on anyone "tolerating" anything at all. You said the police are out there looking for the perps, I responded that not only have they CAUGHT the kids, they've been released on bail. In essence, I was saying your comment was a bit behind the times.

 

This is true. Perhaps they weren't beaten up because they are gay but could be because those boys are just violent. They could well have done the same if the couple were heterosexual and even more likely just two boys with unknown sexual orientation

 

OK - got it. Thanks.

 

The Blood Curse.

So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying "I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves." And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"

Anglican theologian Rowan Williams, then Archbishop of Wales, and who would soon become Archbishop of Canterbury, has written of Matthew's Gospel being made "the tool of the most corrupt and murderous misreading of the passion stories that has disfigured the Church's record.

 

could be either, never know

"Oklahoma GOP candidate: Stoning gays the ‘right’ thing to do"

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/gop-candidate-stone-gay-people

and we should tolerate it from no one, theist, atheist or in-between

 

yes, Islamic prejudice against homosexuals.

will repeated the tax in London by Muslims against homosexuals seems to be common. Oh but noticing patterns is prejudiced I'm sorry I forgot.

London's mayor the police the people. Because going after Muslims for their hatred and bigotry is not tolerant.

and just like that irony meters broke all across the land.

It's a fact that in Islamic countries they kill gay people not just adults but children. They do it exactly how the Quran prescribes. And they say they're doing it because Allah commands it.

You are oblivious to that fact. Because it undermines your preconceived ideas.

Funny how you're not showing they weren't Muslim.

 

Funny how you're not showing they were. And that there is absolutely no evidence to support your wager that they were.

 

Same wit Muslims. But you still got Islamophobes only mentioning that there were some 10.000's of Muslims fighting for Hitler, while ignoring 100.000's fought for the Allied. Hence I mention that the nazi's were by far mostly Christian. Heck, the previous pope fought for nazi Germany.

 

Could be either of what?

But London tolerates it particularly from Muslims.

 

Rubbish, the suspects were arrested within a few hours, the Mayor has been a staunch supporter of the LGBT community. That is pure speculation on your part.

 

Yes, it must have been that other group of religious zealots that live in London who are encouraged to live there so what shows that in their home countries they either in prison or execute gay people inprison or execute gay people.

Who were they again? I forgot.

oh no no evidence at all Islamic culture does it have a notorious reputation for homophobia and violence against them. No all those executions gay people in Islamic countries, and elsewhere perpetrated by Islamic people, those are justified right?

Out of curiosity are your ears nose and mouth full of sand did you get it in your eyes

 

Only information I got out of looking it up was there are four suspects all male ages 15 to 18, and they are out on bond.

Mayor Sadiq Khan has done nothing to stop the influx of Islamic immigration. And an inarguable fact is that people within Islamic culture believe violence against homosexuals is okay.

That would be as if the mayor of London was inviting all the ku Klux Klan members in the world to live in London at the same time saying he supports the safety and security of black people.

You can believe this joke when he talks out of both sides of his mouth but I'm not going to.

 

You seriously think a mayor has the authority over the national borders?
lol...

 

No but he has authority over police. Who is willing to bet that he has policies regarding the Muslim community. I wonder why we don't know anything about these people who committed this act were arrested and released on bond?

 

This is truly awful. I wish these woman had a gun to protect themselves from the attackers.

Those are not "men", they are punks. My real question is, where were the real men to stand up to these *******s???

 

Makes a person wonder why. In England, if they are Muslims, they will be identified as "Asians" in their news reports.

It's good to see some arrests were made.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730951943/five-teens-arrested-in-homophobic-attack-on-london-bus

 

As in... they got this virtual yellow moon on their coats? Very disturbing idea. I think not.

 

Rather typical of the extreme far right to think Asians in the UK are Muslim, and not Hindu, Sikhs etc. You even got idiots who think a Sikh who has a distinct headgear is a Muslim thing. lol