Let Conservatives keep their kids out of college

Of course it's oversimplification. That's why I said "in general terms". Meaning, from a purely academic perspective, that's what it is. In the real world these labels, and the concept that they describe, are secondary. Only complete ideologues give labels like "progressive", "conservative", "left", "right", have any meaning to describe how a person should act or what they want.

However, the question of progress is not in today's society... it's of today's society.. We are talking o society itself. Not fo any particular element within society.

I'm unsure as to where you want to take the discussion. It is a tendency of conservatism to be more authoritarian.

There is no disagreement whatsoever as to what constitutes a human being, when the parameters used are objective. In this, as well as the "types of marriage" (though I'm not sure what that means), there are far less "types" or "disagreements" when objectivity is used. But today's conservatives tend to prefer subjectivity.

Only as a private citizen. Not on matters related to his job. And, with a President, just about everything is.

Such as? I mean, I'm simply asking for an example so I can understand what it is you are talking about.

But, I can tell you, a true progressive is not about "core values". Not that they don't have any, but they are not "dogma". They are more like a "guide". In respect to policies, doing the right thing always trumps ideology.

 

Can never have enough waiters

 

Can you find the posts where I have?
I can't tell anybody what to do, but I can comment on their foolish choices.

 

tyeah and your "right thing" always demands spending somebody else's money

 

The $1.4 TRILLION in college debts is proof.

By all those ranting and sobbing people with college degrees that they can't make enough money to pay off their college loans and the $1.4 TRILLION in unpaid college loan debts is proof.

Or do you claim they and Democratic Party are all liars and really college graduates are just deadbeats who try to make others pay their debts even they they could easily pay their college loans themselves?

 

Assimilate or perish huh. Stalin and the Borg would agree.

 

Refreshing change from the Obama decade isn't it. Maybe the millennials will finally be able to move out of mom's house.

 

Now they want the tax payers to pay off the loans for the education that has qualified them to work as a barista for Starbucks

 

Such a wonderful investment that they can't find jobs to pay the costs of their investment.

 

I'm talking about Science. Not right-wing Conspiracy Theories. The Scientific Method includes all the tools to protect itself from things that are a much bigger threat to objectivity than money from politics. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying that it's external bias is extremely easy to identify. For example when, in the early 2000s, Exxon offered anybody with a Science Degree $10000 for each article they would write denying AGW. The "campaign" was effective among the general population (specifically the right), but it didn't make so much as a dent on Science itself. Precisely because of those mechanisms I just mentioned.

The disdain of Science I am referring to has nothing to do with your "loving" Science or not. It has to do with the fact that Corporate and Political interests will spend billions to allow right-wing extremist media to feed you with Conspiracy Theories like the one you just expressed. Anybody who understands how Science works understands it's nonsense.

Let me ask you this. In your opinion, how are things proven? How would you say you know that something... anything... is proven? And that it's not just the interest of some political group spending millions in convincing people?

 

This is precisely the aspect that the left does not understand. You quickly identify the funding bias that exists from Exxon only giving grants to those proposing studies with anti global warming as its hypothesis, but then you completely ignore the funding bias that comes from the uber left educational establishment that funds only research that exclusively begins with a pro global warming hypothesis. They are two sides to the same coin, with the primary difference being that the uber left funded grants dwarf the amount provided by Exxon and the like. Typically, scientific endeavors do not have a political angle, so this concept isnt a problem, but with global warming, it is highly political, thus the uber left educational establishment specifically funds pro global warming research exclusively. The net result is that the only people that fund any type of hypothesis that would oppose global warming come from the energy industry who also has a bias in their funding motives.

Since you can obviously grasp the concept that a funding bias produces desired results when you talk about Exxon, why are you incapable of grasping the undeniable notion that academia only funds pro global warming and that its resulting findings are equally skewed? Both sides of the equation need to be explored, yet the left bogusly wants to invalidate the entire counter argument specifically because the uber left educational establishment refuses to fund both sides of that exploration.

 

Let liberals send their kids to college to saddle them with debt so they can pay it back working at Starbucks.

 

I had to have a degree in order to get my job and that was over 40 years ago. It was your meal ticket; you traded it for a job.

 

That's cool while uneducated conservative kids will work in 2nd rate jobs for the rest of their lives since they have no education outside of high school. This way they'll be able to sponge off of mom and dad in order to live.

 

There is a good compromise possible: let conservatives send their kids to college, but have them do degrees in Physics, Engineering, Economics, and Computer Science., and take courses in calculus, electronics, strength of materials, international banking, matrix algebra. Let liberals send their kids to college to do degrees in Black Studies, Queer Studies, Transgender Studies, Chicano Studies, and take courses in Postmodernism, White Privilege, Anti-Racism, etc.

Everybody's happy.

 

Racist post noted.

 

Glad to make you happy.

 

pay it back. lol.

not if they can help it....a whole bunch of them already line up to vote for politicians who pander to debt forgiveness.

and the default rates are steadily rising...the averaged claimed default rate is approaching 12% now, but the way the system is set up colleges pencil-whip their numbers to remain within the eligibility threshold for receiving federal student aid (sanctions are levied if a school maintains a 30% default rate over three years, or 40% default rate for one year)

 

Not happy but sad that mindset's like your's still exist in today's world.

 

Like me with a six figure income?

 

On top of saddling themselves with debt only 50% graduate.

 

No no no.... You are misunderstanding my statement. These weren't grants. Exxon simply paid cold cash for any article that might undermine AGW or its researchers to anybody who had a Science degree on any area. I'm talking about Anthropoligists or Psychologists or Medical doctors... who had never done any research whatsoever on AGW, or had even ever studied AGW, nor had any intention to do either... writing articles to undermine it. Most didn't make so much as an effort to make sense. Others were personal attacks on Scientists....

Got it?

If they are skewed, they do not pass peer-review, they are not published by Peer-reviewed publications, and they are useless to anybody. Whoever funded them, threw their money in the trash.

And if they somehow, through some "conspiracy" manage to circumvent peer-review and the very strict Editors of these publications (whose income depends 100% on their publication maintaining their prestige), post-publication peer-review willl weed them out.

But if for some "fantastical" reason, they managed to circumvent all this, they would need to do the same in all of the thousands of Scientific Peer-reviewed publications in the world, with all the Scientific Associations in the world, Scientific Institutions world-wide.

Believe me, much harder than faking the Moon Landing.

 

Those who brag about their income usually don't make what they say.

 

@Golem Before I reply, can you tell me why capitalise science as if it is a proper-noun? Is it suppose to mean something? You give me the impression that you view it as a single entity or institution as if there were a single authority for what science is, instead of viewing it as a process and the results or data derived from that process.

 

LOL, sure. Make my laugh on the way to the bank.