Let Iraq fall!!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronstar, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, Obama can just carve another notch in his failure post.
     
  2. Tommy Palven

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    Anti-US invasion/occupation cleric Mookie al-Sadr stated the other day that he wants to protect Christians in Iraq, so it almost seems to go without saying that he also opposes violence between Muslim sects. He is smart enough to have avoided being captured or droned in the last few years, and just might emerge as the unifying Simon Bolivar of the Mid-East.

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mi...efend-iraq-religious-sites.ashx#axzz34axdnvwL
     
  3. Recovering Conservative

    Recovering Conservative Active Member Past Donor

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    Well said! So.....what are the immigration requirements down there? I wan to be talking with reasonable people when I go south to retire!
     
  4. Steady Pie

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    That this isn't the conservative position is absurd.

    You've spent $20 billion arming and training them, but they couldn't care less about the cause. Shi'ite soldiers don't care if Sunni insurgents take over Sunni areas. Ergo, well equipped forces of 30,000 men run away from a battle with 800, leaving behind most of their American bought equipment for the insurgents to claim. They don't care enough to fight, even though they'd almost certainly win.

    Let them sort it out themselves. If that means a few decades of sectarian violence, so be it. Stealing from citizens at home to "spread democracy" on the other side of the planet is entirely indefensible.
     
  5. Natty Bumpo

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    Maliki is a corrupt, oppressive Shia dictator. He needs to be replaced.

    • Elect a Bush in '16.

    • Hype fraudulent pretexts.

    • Launch a two-trillion dollar nation-building fiasco that destroys
      the nations institutions, creates a refuge where terrorists can thrive,
      and stokes sectarian strife.

    • Replace Maliki with a corrupt, oppressive Sunni dictator.

    • Capitulate to all his demands in a Status of Forces Agreement that kicks the US out.

    • Repeat as needed.



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  6. CKW

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/03/ayman-al-zawahri-egypt_n_3701385.html

    Freedom is the enemy according to Al Qaeda and those who align with them. They terrorize in order to irradicate it. People who treasure treedom and tolerance...should be repulsed by these terrorists. But your post shows more revulsion against the contractors, hired by our military to work on military projects. The U.S military was their employer----and the military left them to die. Shameful that our commander in chief is willing to let that happen.

    It is what it is.......people of different values aligning with what they relate with most.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama didn't invade Iraq.
     
  8. creation

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    I hope you can expand on this theme; are you suggesting that Islamist groups plan to bomb the west until they accept Islam as their law like they do?

    Are we to see squadrons of bombers etc over American heartlands? Or is this more of proseltyising desire/ behaviour?

    Also, if we scared libs were to actually confront them, what would we say that we havent said already?

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    The conservative prescription for detroying America's welfare state and taking it back to the 1910s.
     
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    Come the devolution, the retros will reign.
     
  10. Rainbow Crow

    Rainbow Crow New Member Past Donor

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    The part about bombers is obviously incorrect but otherwise, that is a part of the standard manifesto for these people, that they want to subject the entire world to Sharia law. Considering the relative situations, bombers seem pretty unlikely and I'm not interested in continuing this if you're going to keep saying stupid things like that.
     
  11. nra37922

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    I have a FIX for the IRAQ problem.. Draw a red line around it and dare anyone to cross it upon penalty of another red line...
     
  12. Leo2

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    So many ambiguities through which to wade! :)

    Freedom means many different things to many people, and enjoys no universal definition. Per example - I live in a society wherein I never see a gun outside a military establishment, and even the police go unarmed. I consider my society to have an entirely acceptable degree of freedom, but am often told by Americans that I am not 'free' because I do not have the right to go armed. On the other hand, I have the right to medical attention with no cost at the point of delivery - something which, to date, has not been available to all Americans. Which society is more free? So freedom is not an absolute, and different societies offer different levels of freedom according to each individual's definition.

    As for my post showing revulsion for anyone - I suggest you reread my words. I simply stated that the American contractors in Iraq are there of their own volition, and because the financial returns are greater than in their domestic environment - not for humanitarian reasons. No contractor, by definition is employed by anyone, let alone the US military. Else he/she would be an employee and not a contractor. Therefore, the only responsibility the US government has towards the welfare of those contractors, is that which they have towards any US citizen who finds himself in a dangerous environment.

    And just out of interest, how many American contractors are physically engaged in battles with the insurgents at present, and how many have been killed to date?
     
  13. CKW

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    Obama took on Presidential responsabilities when he was elected. It wasn't long ago---he took credit for success in Iraq. Now that it is falling apart under his care we need to keep realizing---Obama is our president and has been for 6 years. He's been in control of Iraq. He has been in control of creating disaster--
     
  14. Ronstar

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    he didn't create Nuri Al Malaki, the Iranian stooge.
     
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    Wrong, Iraq is no longer under our care, they made the choice themselves and since now they do not seem to want to fight for their own Freedom they do not deserve it. If you are all so fired up go put your life on the line, I am sure you can find a way to get there. Our troops have had enough of Iraq, and no matter when we leave this civil war was bound to happen, it was just a matter of time, let them determine the outcome.
     
  16. Channe

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    Obama is NOT in control of Iraq. The Iraqis are.
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so what, we are supposed to occupy Iraq with 100,000 troops....forever?

    make Iraq the 51st state????
     
  18. Margot2

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    Who is sufficiently deluded to think the US or the US president controls and country or people in the ME?
     
  19. CKW

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    . He didn't create our immigration problem either...but he has certainly made the problem hugely worse. His policies matter. He is the President. His leadership or non-leadership matters.
     
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    Wrong.. Obama has deported more illegals during his term than ANY previous president in the past 30 years.
     
  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thinking deeply and consulting the experts about what to do about Iraq before sending in forces, is what a TRUE leader should do.

    we should be very careful before we send any in Iraq again.
     
  22. CKW

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    "The business of government is business." H. Hoover
     
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    They DID fight it out not that many years ago. We just weren't satisfied when peace broke out.
     

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