Let's put to rest another pervasive, false, right wing talking point.

Esperance · Jan 17, 2020

Lee Atwater said: ↑

Actually, it makes perfect sense as proven by the posts of virtually every Trumper on the board................and the comments of virtually every Repub senator. Why? Because they even though every shred of evidence in the form of documents, first hand testimony, second hand testimony, the Zelensky call transcript, the WB complaint, the documents and comments recently released by Parnas, the testimony of Sondland, Vindman, Yovanovitch, Taylor, Cooper, Hale, Volker, Hill, Kent, Croft, Anderson, etc., EVERYTHING WE KNOW is proof Trump did what the AoI accuse him of doing.
But, loyal Trumpette's cling to their denial. Consequently, the more evidence to be revealed corroborating what we know the more pressure on Senate Repubs to stop pretending it doesn't exist, or isn't sufficient, or doesn't prove anything. The record needs to be added to until Repubs are forced in to the position of admitting Trump is guilty.............but vote to acquit anyway..........because they don't care if the POTUS is a criminal along as supporting him means they get re-elected.
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The is NO evidence to support your claim.... Presumptions, overhearing a conversation, tons of hearsay and a whistle blower letter that is predominantly inaccurate is no basis for even a trial to begin.

There is not even a crime listed in the Articles !

At some point you are going to have to face the fact that this is yet another sham. Too bad the Constitution had to be thouroughly trampled by the Democrats in the House, but it is what it is, a sham.

Injeun · Jan 17, 2020

Lee Atwater said: ↑

I keep hearing this.................."The articles of impeachment say absolutely nothing about Abuse of power to cheat in the elections. Perpetuating himself in power by illegal means."............................or something similar to that claim.

That's just unequivocally wrong.

Here is a quote from Article I.................................

"Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage."
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Now that that is out of the way let's dig a little deeper. Is the act of soliciting Ukraine's help in damaging Biden's candidacy in the 2020 election, and thus helping Don's, a crime?

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ wrote Ellen Weintraub, chairwoman of the FEC. “This is not a novel concept.“
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/13/fec-election-foreign-trump-1364598

Does that clear it up? Some still say no. Why? Basically, for the same reason Donnie J was not charged with a crime when he solicited dirt on Hillary from the Russians. A matter addressed at some length in the Mueller report. Team Mueller's conclusion was that because Donnie J was ignorant of the law...........and because of the difficulty in assigning a monetary value to the information he sought...........charging him with a crime that was able to be prosecuted would be difficult.

Similarly, the Orange Fraud's attorney, Billy the Bagman, made the determination no law was broken (after the top CIA counsel contacted the DoJ by issuing a criminal complaint regarding the Zelenshy call) because a monetary value could not be assigned to Don's request to Zelensky of trying to find dirt on Old Joe, or to announce an investigation to do so. (Clearly this law needs to be clarified)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...l-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481

However, as we know, the technical commission of a crime is not necessary to pursue the impeachment of a prez if his/her actions represent an abuse of power.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article217126395.html

Perhaps this is a stretch, but I think even Trumpette's will acknowledge, legal or not, it is an abuse of office, at the least, for a prez to use his power to extort a foreign leader in to helping him with the prez's re-election. It was the act that caused the WB to submit his complaint and thus change Pelosi's mind about whether to proceed with impeachment.
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So you're okay with a corrupt Joe Biden as President...got it. And might is it also be reasoned that by the Democrats attempt to impeach the current President, it will effect the upcoming election? How is that not election meddling?

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Let's put to rest another pervasive, false, right wing talking point.

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