Lies and False Narratives of Christianity

Oh, please. Scalia's handling of discrimination is preposterous and everyone knows it. He showed literally NO interest in what the constitution says, preferring to back his religion all the way.

Whether he had friends or was otherwise smart is not an issue here.

And, claiming we have a pattern of discrimination is a problem, not an excuse.

 

Yes - you have no argument.

So, you try for ad hom - as if THAT gives you credibility!

 

Romans 13 would like to have a word with you. It says that all human authority is mandated by God and that it is a sin to rebel. It explicitly teaches the Divine Right of Kings, which Christians believed until the Enlightenment (which happened despite scriptural teachings, not because of them).

 

And you're counting millions of Mormons who you don't even believe are Christians. It's a joke when all you're interested in is numbers.

 

No, I'm not counting the Mormon cult, they're not even 15,000,000 of the world's 2,300,000,000 Christians. And no, I'm not all interested in numbers, just demonstrating another fulfilled Bible prophecy.

 

No it doesn't, in fact God warned OT Israel not to get a king, which they did anyway, to their grief. A biblical principle is to obey those in authority over you, to the extent laws don't violate God's commandments.

"And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day." I Sammuel 8:11-17

Nonsense, leading Enlightenment figures were themselves shaped by the Protestant Reformation. Hugo Grotius, John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rosseau, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Patrick Henry, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton had a Calvinist education or family background. Even the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are modeled on previous colonial compacts using theological and Biblical terms - long before social contract theorists Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.

 

I noticed you did everything BUT refer to Romans 13. Try again. It says, directly, that God has appointed all earthly rulers and that it is a sin to rebel against them. Try reading it. I can quote it if you need me to, but you should really read it for yourself.

The Protestant Reformation stands in stark contrast to the values of the Enlightenment. Luther and Calvin were more than happy to watch heretics burned. They didn't give two shits about any freedom of religion but their own.

Lol, no. Not even close. The Bill of Rights directly contradicts Biblical law, which punishes things like freedom of speech and freedom of religion with death.

 

Most Christian concepts came from pagans. Hel was a Norse Goddess who ruled over a realm also called Hel. She watched over the soles who didn't get into Val Halla.

When Christians were trying to converse Norse peoples to Christianity, they took the concept of Hel, though they mispelled it as Hell, and claimed it was the place where sinners and those who didn't follow Christianity went to be normented for eterinity. They used their fear of Hel, to trick them into converting.

 

Seriously? You're just contributing to the 'lies and phony narratives!'

1. Hell is an old testament concept: 'Gehenna.'
2. 'Hell' is the english translation, in the kjv used for both gehenna and sheol, mostly.
3. There may be evidence that the English word for 'helle' derived, some, from the norse, but the hebrew and greek concepts of gehenna did not.
4. English is not the original language of the biblical manuscripts. Christianity is not anglo centric, like the narratives pretend.

 

And you know this how, or did you just make it up? Any documentation of that conspiracy theory?

 

I did, nothing in there about kings. Because kings used it to justify that form of government is another matter.

Where did Jesus say to burn those who rejected Him, or take away another's freedom? You don't judge a philosophy by its misuse. Just a coincidence what we call basic human rights came out of the Judeo Christian West and no place else, huh?

More nonsense, you're confusing this issue with the OT theocracy of Israel. Where does Christianity say to do that?

 

It mentions all earthly authorities.

We were talking about the Protestant Reformation. But if you would like to talk about Jesus instead, where did he preach freedom of speech and freedom of religion? These things were punishable by death according to laws that he praised from a God that he praised.

Christianity has meant different things to different people, and mutually exclusive belief systems have arisen out of it, all claiming that everyone else is misusing it. The Bible says that God has commanded the death penalty for things like blasphemy. For over a millenium in a half Christians were in general agreement that these laws still stood. All Christians, in fact, seem to believe that at least SOME of God's laws still stand, they just can't agree on which ones.

Concepts like the freedom of religion arose elsewhere. And just a coincidence it took Christians over 1,800 years or so to start figuring out that their religion taught these human rights, huh?

So, the best argument you have is that God USED to be against human rights and then changed his mind. Which would mean that these aren't inalienable rights, just recently dispensed gifts. Jesus expected the world to end within the next few decades, so he didn't provide instruction for how to run a government. Paul and Peter argued that all governments are appointed by God. By the time Revelation became popular there was debate about whether the second coming would happen before or after 1,000 years of Christian rule on earth. Those who believed it would come after advocated theocracy. Regardless, Christians were largely supportive of some kind of government enforcement of their religion for around 1,800 years.

 

Your claim was that it specifically endorsed the Divine right of kings. It doesn't, anymore that it endorsed Mao's China. Context is everything, we are to disobey laws that go against God's laws. See the martyrs.

When he rebuked the disciples who wanted to call down fire from heaven against the group that weren't one of them. He only ever sadly walked away from those who rejected Him.

Wow, quite an extrapolation. See Old Covenant vs. New, you can find that concept in the OT and NT, specifically in Galatians.

When He spoke to the OT theocracy of Israel, which doesn't exist anymore. God didn't even expect that command to apply to surrounding contemporary gentile nations. Jesus told Peter to walk on water, does that apply to Christians today too? You need to fear Islam killing you for your infidel status, not Christianity.

Where? Not in atheistic Communism, not in revolutionary France, and not today in Hinduism, Islam, or even Bhuddism.

 

Another example of Christian atrocities merely over the question of accepting the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

And that was wrong, we have free will, and God grieved over those things, just like He grieves but gives free will to those today who reject Him. Of Christ's 12 hand-picked disciples, one betrayed Him and the rest ran away. Why do you expect perfection from His later followers? Christianity is about salvation by grace, it isn't works based like false religions.

 

What, the Bible prophecy that states the majority of the world's population would not be Christian?

 

The one that says the Gospel is for all nations. Of course most will reject the Gospel, Jesus predicted that when He said narrow is the road to life, and broad the road to destruction.

 

- No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.

Buddha - 400 years before Christ.

 

That's not the meaning of that passage.

 

Jesus would say to Buddha the same thing He said to the very religious Jew Nicodemus, "You must be born again."

 

Hardly. The grip of romanism, and the defiance of the reformation had nothing to do with the doctrine of the trinity.

Neither Luther NOR Calvin approved of the church as an institution of human justice, and neither approved of 'burning witches!', as you slanderously accuse.

Luther openly opposed ANY physical punishment from the church. He favored a 'secular hangman', for the dispensation of human justice.. it was NOT the role of the church, he contended.

The belief or promotion that the reformation was over the trinity is absurd, is a phony narrative, and revisionist history.

 

Luther and Calvin both expected secular governments to enforce their religious beliefs and advocated execution for blasphemers and heretics. The fact that they wanted secular authorities to murder in the name of their religion instead of the priests themselves means nothing. And yes, this sometimes was just over the doctrine of the Trinity. See Calvin and the execution of Servetus.

 

I used to believe that. The right conversation (I don't say argument) with the right person at the right time can have amazing effects.

 

The Nicene Creed determines the beliefs of a Christian. (Translated from the Greek).

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end.

And [we believe] in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

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There are creative thinkers and there are those who only know what they have been taught. Dutchsense can be pretty boring, since he's constantly on the defensive to geologists and has to repeat and prove things over and over again. As for the fires, he has shown nighttime satellite pictures of areas glowing red days before a fire would break out. I should think that would be proof enough for anyone.

If the geologists know what's going on, and they probably do, then there's a cover up. Someone asked him if the area could be cooled off before the fire started, and he said it is just too large. Anyway it is worrisome, but people should be warned.