Lincoln and Southern Secession

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Doug1943, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Ah, so you have no criticisms of the Union. That's good to know. Meanwhile, humans are humans, regardless of the opinions of ignorant savages of the past who chose to ignore objective reality. Sorry, but your historical revisionism is complete, racist nonsense. Black people have always been human, and it is deeply disturbing and an offense to both reality and morality that you would choose to believe otherwise. Also, the standards I'm talking about existed back then too. Not sure why you feel the need to pretend otherwise.
     
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    Also, this occurred to me last night, but you obviously don't have a problem with judging John Brown, and you obviously have no problem judging the lack of compensation for people-owners, so why is it that slavery itself is an exception?
     
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    History is clear that slavery was the root cause of the Civil War. Any other argument is neo-Confederate apologetics.
     
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    I know that.
    Any way you look at it, that's a lie. In your case, it's obviously based on an interpretation of a constitutional provision that's retarded enough for leftists to find appealing.
     
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    History is clear that LDS (Lincoln Derangement Syndrome) was the root cause of the Civil War. Any other argument is cultural-marxism.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. It's completely incompatible with the Enlightenment, of which the founding of the USA was a supreme example.
    But history is full of surprises, and unevenness. I suppose historians have explained why what happened in the British West Indies (the peaceful abolition of slavery, buying out the slave-owners), didn't happen in the US.

    Without knowing much about it, I would guess the political power of the slavers, plus the great dependence of the Southern economy on crops that were profitably cultivated by slaves, prevented the US from following the path of other nations which got rid of slavery without a terrible civil war.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Today, apologetics for the Confederacy ('slavery wasn't so bad', 'the Civil War was about the right to secession, and the South was right', etc), could actually be subtle neo-cultural-Marxist plot to make sure that Black people identify conservatism with apologetics for Black slavery, and remain firmly in the camp of the Left.

    This is the case even if every argument made by pro-Confederates is true.

    It would be like German members of the Alternative for Germany pointing out that, hey, there were Jews who DID commit economic crimes, and look, see how many Jews were present in the Bolshevik leadership, and by the way, Nazis weren't the only people to say negative things about Jews, here's a quote from Churchill, and another from the British ambassador to Germany, and even one from Einstein.... etc etc. The effect of these truths ... and they are truths ... would be to make sure that very few Jews supported the AfD.

    And the effect, if not the explicit intention, of apologetics for slavery and for those who broke away from the US to defend it, is just that.

    This does NOT justify removing statues, or banning Confederate flags (which today, for most people in the South, are NOT a way of expressing racial hatred), or any of the other Orwellian moves of the Left. But the pro-slave-Confederacy stuff plays right into the hands of the Leftist History-Rewriters.
     
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    Lincoln, the American Hitler, was a war criminal of nearly incalculable dimension.

    Not just our worst president by far, but one of the most ruthless mass murderers in history.

    All of the hero worship heaped upon Lincoln by those ignorant of the terror and death he both unleashed and relished are fools.

    But of course monsters need fools to worship them.

    Hitler knew this.
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    They seceded for several reasons, slavery chief among them.
     
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    I haven't read much about that, except as a Cause for insurrection if not outright, rebellion.
     
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    Our Civil War should have never happened. The South should have been compensated via eminent domain. That would have been an appropriate reason for printing fiat money.
     
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    That war destroyed this country.

    We're still picking up the pieces.
     

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