Long List of Sanctions against Russia now ...

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    On your signature, I'm pretty sure he name is spelled Zelensky, although I've seen it multiple times as Zelenskyy...
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That’s funny. I was having this discussion with someone just this morning! I don’t think that I see much of a difference between the two. Tell me your view. Why more of a chess player than a poker player?
    I don’t think he planned for anything but I do most certainly think that he has prepared himself for all possibilities … to be ready to react if/when a certain set of circumstances are forced upon him.
    No, that’s not really true. The USSR was already history when Putin came onto the stage of power. You can convince me I’m wrong if you have some strong motivated evidence.
    Yes. The breakup of the USSR was seen like a zebra with a broken leg to a hyena.
    That’s right. I read somewhere that Putin asked the US if Washington would approve of Russia joining NATO. The answer was no. So there it is pure and clear. NATO’s raison d'être is specifically to destroy Russia, not to seek world peace.
    Oh yes! Now even Sweden is rattling sabres, f-ing twits!
    Including Ukraine.
    *Biden and Nuland carried out the coup in 2014
    * Hillary instigated the Russian blasphemy scam
    * Democrats used Ukraine as a wedge
    * Media and Big Tech hid Biden's corruption before the 2020 election.
    The US is nowhere near “the biggest and best democracy in the world”. In fact, it is well down the list of world Democracies.
    Nor can I and I might be naïve but I still do not think all of Ukraine is part of his plan. I think his mission in Ukraine is to destroy certain strategic areas and eventually pull out. He needs to secure his naval base (enter the Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk) and a bartering chip might be returning a greater part of Ukraine as a peace offering.
    Naw, I still believe that it was all planned by Washington well in advance.
    I can’t speak for all of them but Sweden has been in cahoots with the CIA for decades now and the word is that Australia hasn’t been too sympathetic to the plight of Julian Assange. So, I truly do not think the Ukraine is much more than window-dressing on an already evil alliance.
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the language you took. In my home languege he is written as I do. Other exemple is for example Yelzin ... in my language written Jelzin ;-)
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HUH ?

    what $870 "trillion" are you referring to ?
     
  5. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In addition .... neither Fidel Castro nor Mohammad Mosaddeq was a communist but Washington played the "Red Hoard" card all the same and invaded/subjugated their nations.
     
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    Russia has been waging cyber war for the last 2 years. Im in IT and we are seeing that most of these cyber attacks, and more importantly these "ransomware attacks" are not only originating in Russia, the resulting payments are ending up in the hands of the Russian government. The last cyber attack we worked was an AG Coop and the FBI was VERY involved noting that it originated in Russia, and that they were trying to disrupt the food supply, but they are also getting paid. The last payment we heard from the insurance carrier was well over $100 million for that attack alone
     
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  7. Mandelus

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    A poker player trys to bluff hi opponent more in meaning of having far better cards as he really has.
    A chess player thinks many movements of him and his opponent in advance ;-)

    Russians don't even go to the toilet without a plan dude ... ;-)

    Who took over the seat and all rights of the USSR in UN security council, eh? ;-)

    To be fair, however, one must also say that Putin named a few requirements that could not really be fulfilled.
    But in general one has to say that for about 20 years Russia has been treated without respect... for example as far as the stationing of the anti-missile screen in Eastern Europe is concerned, which according to Bush Jr. would have been against Iran... what not just ridiculous, but a blatant lie. And Russia did nothing wrong or evil justifying this deployment!

    But they also have reason to do so in Stockholm ... to be honest. Sweden has always been neutral, like Switzerland, and if Sweden (like WWII-neutral Finland) are publicly considering NATO membership, then they have every right to do so.
    The reaction from Moscow was wild threats to both and that is just as unacceptable as when the US interferes and threatens the sovereignty of Caribbean and Central American states!

    Sorry, while I respect your views here, I don't share them in the slightest!
    In my view, the Maidan was not controlled by the West...pure Russian propaganda lie to me...nor does Biden and the Democrats have anything more to do with it than welcoming it and then, after the overthrow of the dictatorial bastard Yanukovych, the new government supported.
    And for your information: I hate Trump with all my heart and have done so since the 1990s, not just when the bastard unfortunately became POTUS!
    But let's both leave it at that. I respect your point of view, then respect mine too. Discussing it will get you nowhere. ;-)

    I too think that best democracy is a gross exaggeration in the USA. And they are not the oldest democracy either... that was the ancient Greeks ;-)

    There are 2 possible scenarios here... although this can also be described as a minimum and maximum goal:
    a) Maximum overthrow of the Ukrainian government and reinstatement of its puppet Yanukovych (or someone else)
    b) "rabble around" as much as possible in Ukraine, destroying as much strategic things as possible in order to achieve his minimum goal = recognition of the secession of Crimea and Donbass is accepted.
    In my opinion, Putin does not intend to conquer the Ukraine to make it a new Russian province and part of the Russian state!

    I have a different opinion ... and for me 99.8% of all conspiracy theories are just bullshit in the end.. like the nonsense about 9/11 = inside job or NASA was never on the moon. All conspiracy arguments have been extensively and irrefutably refuted, only the "truthers" don't accept that and discussions with them are as useful as a discussion about whether the glass is half empty or half full ;-)

    As I said, I don't think much of conspiracy theories because they are almost always nonsense...
    Yes, of course Sweden had also worked with the CIA in the cold war, we remember the frequent violations of Swedish sovereign territories by the USSR vice versa?
    As good and necessary as Wiki Leaks is, Assange is just a selfish, arrogant, ignorant piece of sh**, which has to be seen too.
     
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    You're right about Mossadegh, but not 100% about Castro. He was already a socialist and a Marxist as a rebel leader and we all know about the phobia in the USA of anything even being called social.
    It is true, however, that Castro actually wanted to be on good terms with Washington, but Washington kicked him in the butt.
    Incidentally, the same goes for Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam...which also sought US support against the French colonialists and was rebuffed simply because France was more important to the US than such a rice farmer with an academic education in a country most Americans had never heard of ;-)
     
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    Been a while since we've had a good Russia sanctions thread on the front page.... Found this one for an update

    Russia's appeal to play their World Cup play-in game next week was denied by the Sports Arbitration Board

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/russian-bid-play-world-cup-154641779.html

    They were scheduled to play Poland next Thursday..... can anybody say AWKWARD??

    Much like our soccer ball headed former POTUS however, there are appeals outstanding.... which they will most likely lose...
     

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