Looks like democrats have lost the public

How so?

Sought by Republicans to testify, the former U.S. special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker:

“The allegations against Vice President Biden are self-serving and non-credible.”

Volker said pursuing "conspiracy theories" about Ukraine being involved in the 2016 US election doesn't serve our "national interest."​

 

And it;s the opposite for Republicans, regardless of evidence, the GOP will never vote to impeach or convict. They care only about control of the white house, and nothing else. Trump could committ blatant treason, and the GOP would still refuse to convict him.

 

The interesting thing about today is that neither the Republicans nor the Republican counsel challenged the witness statements. They dealt with tangential issues and often times asked awkward questions that had the witness puzzled.

It was a bad day for Trump.

Vindman told House impeachment investigators that it was "improper" for President Donald Trump to "demand a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen and political opponent."

Had Vindman stood alone — under attack as he was from Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and other allies of the president — he would have made for a compelling witness.

But later in the day, his conclusion was supported by two Republican witnesses — former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker and former National Security Council staffer and longtime GOP Hill aide Tim Morrison — who said that it was not "appropriate" for a President to ask a foreign leader to investigate an American citizen, particularly one, former Vice President Joe Biden, who is a political rival of the president.

Volker also confirmed the extortion involving the Ukrainian leader.

 

Thank you Mr Trump and Mr Obama!

 

There's more here than meets the eye:
Painting the picture, Putin was able to roll into Ukraine and annex Crimea because, in disarming Ukraine in 2005 then Senator Obama promised the US would protect them, a commitment President Obama reneged on. Obama sent Ukraine blankets and night vision googles rather than anti-tank missiles and sat by and watched the invasion.

This circus is about Trump sending Ukraine Javelin missiles after a short delay.

Vindman claimed to be worried about Ukraine, but didn't appear to be concerned about them having no defense under the previous administration.

Rather than following the chain of command, Vindman reported his interpretation of the call, which did not reflect the words used by Trump, to a disgruntled former employee who had absolutely no need to know. Vindman was in violation.

This disgruntled former employee, with advice from his attorney, who had committed to attacking the Trump Presidency from day one, told Schiff, the political hack who wrote the complaint for him.

The complaint that runs through this whole circus is that Trump went around the normal chain of the bureaucracy in dealing with matters of foreign policy. The actors we have seen and the leaks from holdovers of the Obama administrative state show clearly that Trump did the right thing cutting the bungling clown show out of his decision making.

 

None of the witnesses I saw reported using either "extortion" or "bribery" in their closed door dress rehearsal for yesterday's televised hit job. Did you see the transcript from Volker's previous testimony? Did he mention "extortion" in that testimony?

 

You make it sound like democrats are pure as the driven snow. Every politician in that room is nothing but a power hungry POS. Nobody cares about the truth. All they care is that their party comes out on top. Im a conservative, so I want my side to win, but I am under no illusion that anyone there is a good person. All politicians on both sides of the aisle are scum of the highest order.

There may be a tiny handful of exceptions but they are very few and far between.

 

You must not have watched the testimony. Volker confirmed he saw no extortion.

BTW, after 3 years of investigations based on conspiracy theories why is the left so adamant that nothing wrong ever went on with democrats profiting off of Ukraine?

 

And this was the REPUBLICAN witness

 

So then these were meant to spark healthy debate?

 

He refused to CHARACTERIZE it as such...not being a lawyer...but he DESCRIBED what happened and it is clearly extortion

 

Well thanks for being consistent.

 

By saying he saw no extortion. Fascinating.

 

The facts have already started disappearing. Before you know it, Trump Jr. will be on the Board of Burisma. How far can you throw a Progressive aka Statist aka Fascist --- eh, throw in Globalist? Farther than you can trust them:
I started this timeline a while back:

2000/10/18 Resolution of advice and consent. Treaty with Ukraine - Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters
https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text?overview=closed

( https://tinyurl.com/y2c784co )

2002 - Mykola Zlochevsky co-founds Burisma Holdings
2010/07/02 – 2012/04/20 - Mykola Zlochevsky-served as Minister of Ecology & Natural Resources,
reportedly used his position to grant himself leases
2012/04/02-2014/02/26 - Mykola Zlochevsky-served on National Security & Defense Council
2014/04/Early – UK Prosecutor freezes $23.5M in Zlochevsky assets
Early 2014 – Devon Archer joins Burisma
2014/04/16 – Devon Archer visits VP Biden in the White House
2014/04/18 – Hunter Biden joins Burisma
2014/04/21 – VP Biden promises US Aid to Ukraine

Payments of $50,000 to $166,000 were made to Rosemont – Seneca Holdings, a private equity company owned by Hunter Biden and John Kerry's step son, Christopher Heinz, with managing partner, Devon Archer.

Instead of receiving cooperation from Ukrainian prosecutors, they “sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the UK court, and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.”

2015/01 – UK released the $23.5M after Ukraine prosecutors refused to provide needed documents
2015/02/10 – Viktor Shokin appointed prosecutor general
2016/12 – Joe Biden bribes Petro Poroshenko using $1B in aid approved by Congress as leverage to fire Shokin
2016/03/29 – Shokin was formerly dismissed by Parliament.

 

He was a Republican witness after testifying in the closed door dress rehearsal. He admitted to being the target of witness tampering before the live show.

 

Correction: The Biden extortion occurred in 2015/12. Should read:
2015/12 – Joe Biden bribes Petro Poroshenko using $1B in aid approved by Congress as leverage to fire Shokin

My apologies.

 

And the Burisma investigation was shelved.

 

I am not so sure.

Schiff can't hide behind his own corruption in the Senate.

For someone who has not been up to date with this fiasco it only takes about 15 minutes to figure out that it is sham.

Schiff knows darn well that he would also have to testify as a fact witness.
While he has absolutely no qualms about throwing some of these witnesses under the bus, I have no doubt that he would cover his own rear end at the drop of a hat.

 

Volker was out of the country. He had no idea of who was visiting the Ukrainian embassy in the US.

And then he went on to say that he did not link Biden to the Burisma investigation. Probably the smartest thing he could have said.

I suspect that Volker DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW what kind of crap that Biden was up to.
Why? Because he probably didn't figure on a significant change in the power structure... And then Trump was elected so he is now on the fence claiming naivety.

 

But the time I wrote that it was clear that ship has sailed.

 

It is a snooze-fest. Who wants to watch a bunch of crybaby democrats in congress stomp their feet.

 

Government is by its very nature a crooked racket. If it wasn't there would be no need to check and balance its powers.

“Politics in modern America has become a lucrative business, an industry that has less to do with policy and a lot more to do with accessing money and favors. … bills and regulations are often introduced not to affect policy change, but as vehicles for shaking down people for … money and favors. Indeed, the motive on both sides often has nothing to do with creating a “correct” policy but instead is often about maximizing profits.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 4.

 

Trumpers cling to the conspiracy theories regarding Biden's corruption and Ukraine, and not Russia, meddling in the 2016 US presidential nomination as if they were their "Birther" derangement, climate change being a Chinese hoax, or Trumpy bomber Cesar Sayoc being a "False Flag!" scam.

There are no charges against Biden, not by Trump's vast investigative and law enforcement resources, not by Ukraine, not by China despite Trump's desperate requests. There is no credible evidence of Ukraine meddling in the 2016 election.

Return to reality. It is not as harrowing as you may have been led to suspect.

 

So then the goal of those posts was flame bait.

 

It was to see how long you would keep going with someone that has no interest your philosophical position.

I find human behavior to be quite peculiar at times