Mail-In Voting : Experiment by local news station (LOL)

Yes, it was Republicans.

Just like our President just encouraged foreign agents sabotage the USA elections in 2016, he is now doing it now. AGAIN!

Of course, Republicans will just crouch down, quiver, grab the money and sell our country!

 

Republicans fear Democrats will do what they do I guess...

"GOP Finally Has Documented Case of Election Fraud — Committed by Republicans"

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/election-fraud-is-real-and-it-involves-a-republican.html

 

Trump asks foreign countries to send in fake ballots to clog the system and also won't give States extra funding needed to handle all the mail in ballots expected due to the virus - Trump is gonna be a very bad loser

 

I'm from Oregon and we have been using vote-by-mail for quite a few years. While the convenience is great, the security is concerning. Here are some of the problems we have had, or could have, with the vote-by-mail system:

1. About 1% of the ballets are rejected. When we vote, we sign a security envelope (not the ballot itself, see below). Those signatures are supposedly compared to our signature on our registration card...a card that may have been signed decades ago. Myself, I have changed my signature since I first registered 30 years ago and need to make sure I sign it the same as I did years ago. As far as I know, the voter is not contacted if their vote has been rejected. This disenfranchises 1% of the votes case in Oregon.
2. Signature is on the security envelope and not the ballot itself. Once the signature is verified, the ballot and security envelope are separated and the security envelope is discarded while the ballot is placed with all other ballots for counting. There is little to prevent my ballot from being replaced with a pre-filled in ballot differing from how I cast my vote.
3. It is very likely that some people do not get their ballot. People change addresses. Sometimes right before the election. I have little doubt that some people do not get their ballots. The "official" solution if this happens is to notify the election office and get a new one. That is great for the voter that anticipates that they will be getting a ballot in the mail. However, I would suspect that many people are not this aware and they only think of voting once they see the ballot arrive. Before vote-by-mail, we were notified aggressively that it was "voting day". We would see articles in the paper for weeks prior to voting on where the polling stations are located. Today, "voting day" is seldom mentioned, especially if it is just vote on local issues. My last ballot I received in the mail was for local justices and a couple of small local bond measures. I was not even aware it was "voting say" until I received my ballot in the mail....and I feel I am normally more aware about voting than the average person.
4. It is very likely that some ballots do not make it to the election office. While I feel the USPS does a pretty good job, they are only human and things get lost. There is little doubt that this would happen to ballots as well. Even a delay could prevent a ballot from arriving in time to be counted if it was mailed close to the deadline. For myself, this is a concern so I hand deliver my ballot or drop it off in the election drop box. For every ballot lost in the mail, this is a disenfranchised voter.
5. Too many hands. IMO, there are too many hands involved for my vote to be counted. The election office that sends the ballots out. The USPS that delivers them to the sorting Post Office. The sorting Post Office that sends them to the local post office. The sorting again at the local Post Office. The mail person that delivers the ballot to my box. Then repeat the process again for it's return trip to the election office.
6. Voter registration with renewal of driver's license. In Oregon, we also have automatic voter registration when we obtain, replace, or renew our driver's license. A few days after the DMV action, a voter registration card is sent to the address of record. If this card is not returned, the person is AUTOMATICALLY registered as "non-affiliated" (which means they can not vote in primary election in Oregon). A few years ago, my wife renewed her driver's license. While I am already "non-affiliated", she has been a registered Democrat all her life. When we received our ballots for the primary election in 2016, she noticed that there were no Democratic primary candidates and her ballot was the same as mine. She contacted the State and was told she was mailed a voter registration card a few days after renewing her driver's license and she did not return it so she was change from "Democrat" to "non-affiliated". She did not return it because we never received it in the mail. So basically, the State changed her already registered party from "Democrat" to "non-affiliated" just because she renewed her driver's license. Granted, this is when the motor/voter system was new, so it might have been improved since then.

As I said, the convenience of vote-by-mail is great. However, I believe some things could be changed to better the security of the system:

1. Have the signature on the ballot itself and not just on the security envelope.
2. Assign each ballot a number with a tear-off tab so voters have the number of their ballot.
3. When the votes are counted, list the ballot number and the votes cast and counted on a website that voters can check.
4. Allow 72 hours to dispute discrepancies between vote cast and vote recorded.
5. Notify voter if their ballot is rejected for any reason.

 

Both Republicans and Democrats have been caught in ballot harvesting. A Republican was caught in North Carolina and a Democrat was caught in Texas are two that come to mind.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nc-election-fraud-charge-20190227-story.html
https://thetexan.news/alleged-ballo...-investigation-request-by-secretary-of-state/

Then there was the whole ACORN fraud in 2007.

 

Republicans hate vote by mail because it makes voter suppression more difficult. Reducing polling sites in minority districts loses it's effectiveness. No 7 hour waits to vote.

 

Well, if we are just going to make unsubstantiated accusations than we can say that Democrats love vote-by-mail because if makes voter fraud easier and less risky. Let's keep playing this game of partisan talking points. It's fun.

 

there was no ACORN fraud, they hired people to collect registrations, some filled in false ones to get paid more, acorn was the victim there as they had to pay for invalid

and Acorn by law has to turn in all applications, they could not destroy one that say said 'Mickey Mouse', that law is there to make sure a group doesn't only turn in one parties voter registrations - so attacking them for following the law is wrong

 

A couple of paid canvasses were faking names (with no effort to do any voting) in order to get the couple bucks per card to get ACORN to pay the canvasses.

Some of the canvassers wrote Micky Mouse and other names.

ACORN vetted all these names, then confirmed, fired the canvassers, and properly actually showed the state with the canceled fake names (your don't just throw them away), which is how the issue was blown up by millions of dollars of Fake News from Republican operatives and the Right Wing press.

The "Whole ACORN Fraud" wasn't a voting issue. That issue happened exactly right to keep everything straight.

 

Trump needs to increase funding for more polling places, so they are less crowded this year due to covid... will he?

 

The problem was not the registration drive, it was about paying compensation. You say there was no fraud and yet 21 individuals and ACORN itself were found guilty:

• Between 2009 and 2011, a former field director, a former regional director, and ACORN itself were convicted of conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters in Nevada. It was illegal for registration canvassers to receive compensation based on the number of voters registered. Charges stated that ACORN paid a $5 bonus to canvassers who turned in 21 registration forms.[8][9][10]

• In 2009, Latoya Lewis pleaded guilty to repeatedly registering individuals when she worked for ACORN in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[11]

• In 2008, eight former ACORN employees pleaded guilty to registration fraud during a registration drive in St. Louis, Missouri, in 2006.[12]

• In 2007, five people in Washington pleaded guilty to registration fraud charges related to work they did as ACORN employees and were sentenced to jail time.[13] ACORN agreed to pay King County $25,000 for investigative costs. The group also signed an agreement to "beef up its training and procedures for detecting and reporting fraud," according to The Seattle Times.[14][15]

• In 2007, three former ACORN workers in Kansas City, Missouri, pleaded guilty to charges of voter registration fraud.[16] Claudia Harris, chairperson of Kansas City ACORN, said in a statement released after the former employees were indicted, "When we caught this misconduct, we reporter [sic] it to the authorities. Now we want to see these folks prosecuted to the full extent of the law, because they have defrauded our organization, and, worse, detracted from our mission of ensuring that citizens in our community participate in the democratic process."[17]

• In Colorado in January 2005, two people were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations while working for ACORN.[18] ACORN's regional director said after the two were charged, "We find it abhorrent and do everything we can to prevent it from happening."[19]

https://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud

 

It was much more than "a couple of people". 21 individuals and ACORN itself were found guilty.

 

Absolutely not the case.

Package carriers, like UPS and FedEx, are simply more efficient than the USPS.

After the invention of email, the only reason the USPS still exists is because government gave them a monopoly on first and second class mail.

Notice UPS and FedEx can't and won't deliver letters, unless put in an oversized package envelope?

Saying the government preference to private sector is not why USPS is struggling to survive.

 

The Govt's forcing of USPS to prefund decades of benefits for no reason other then to put their budgets in the red and then accuse them of financial mismanagement. Except if they didn't have to prefund, they would be in the Red every year.

 

really, then why do they often deliver to my town and then pass the package off to USPS for final delivery?

the reality is, unless it's profitable, the corps are not gonna deliver...

once the USPS is dead, the prices of mail delivery go up drastically

 

Who is in charge of these districts that have 7 hour waits?

 

The postal service has been losing money for decades and well before that law.

I support the postal service. I think its imperative that we have a government postal service that ensures delivery to all corners of the country at an affordable price. I don't think the prefunding of benefits was fair or required.

But the postal service needs to reinvent itself to stay relevant and operationally efficient.

 

Maybe voters should get to decide whether they want to assume that risk. Their vote. Their health. Their decision.

Funny how conservatives scream when they're forced to wear a mask in public and say it should be their choice. But when it comes to voting they don't want you to have any other choice than showing up in person.

 

I'm fine with them taking on more services to bring in more revenue. Let them do basic banking and check cashing. That would help a lot and also create some much needed competition in those markets.

 

In another thread this is exactly one of the reasons that I gave as to why I'm not kosher with mail in ballots as our sole means of voting.

 

Thats just it. You would never even know.

 

President Trump just wants the post office to raise their prices a little, to help shoulder the burden, and if that's done everything would be fine. Trump doesn't want to destroy the USPS. It's the Democrats that are running the "destroy the post office" drama to pick up some donations from gullible fools like me.

 

I should have been clearer, there was no voter fraud, the employees did fraud their employer by submitting fake registrations

 

Hillary wants folks to vote by email.....

 

link to that being what Trump wants