Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. AFM

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    The Japanese wear masks when they are sick and go out in public. The masks are a signal to stay away. Japanese do not wear masks to protect themselves.
     
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    The hypothesis in the OP link is that they do reduce incidence of disease.
     
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    Everyone in Japan wear masks whether they are sick or not. You wearing a mask is more to protect others from you - 9 months in and you still don't know that?
     
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    Until you apply logic. The masks trap water droplets so when you cough or sneeze you don't spray them metres around the room.
    Or were you only thinking of the mask protecting the wearer?
     
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    How come? Are they extra big virus?
     
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    Japan does not have a mask mandate. And only those who have symptoms wear masks. Asymptomatic people are extremely unlikely to spread viruses.
     
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    Breaking news... Jake Tapper now claims (months after the documents were released to be reviewed....) that .... gasp..... China lied, and covered up accurate information about China's response to their pandemic.. Couldn't find it on Youtube, but referenced several other places... Just unbelievable. CNN would carry water for China... Laughable.

    Found one, but couldn't search it directly...

     
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    LOL. No. The mask in the video reduced flow of liquid diethyl ether. That’s it. That’s the only conclusion we can draw from it without denying the scientific method. From other studies we know that type mask can reduce the flow of saliva and mucous. But those studies do not in any way define or predict reduction of infection in any meaningful way.
    Why would I advise anyone not to? Masks can reduce incidence of infection. We just don’t have much evidence that they do in community settings. The only random controlled trial I know of designed to answer that question you called a failure and told us you wouldn’t use to make such a determination. None of the studies on influenza show efficacy in community settings. The other (spit) studies you seem to prefer don’t attempt to answer the question. They weren’t designed to. That’s why the word choices in the discussion sections always include terminology such as “may protect” or “could protect” and not definitive statements like you have made on their behalf.
     
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    I like to consume information from all available sources. Do you have a link to that content online? TIA
     
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    More reporting.

     
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    Google some photos of Tokyo instead of writing stupid things
     
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    Perhaps you havent seen the claims that our mask and distancing policies are responsible for the dramatically lower influenza rates
     
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    So you are going to share the studies that demonstrate decreased incidence if disease.

    Presumed logic is not science.
     
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    One minute you say that masks don't reduce risk of infection then you write "masks can reduce incidence of infection". You seem very confused
     
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    Do you have the death figures from flu this year and previous years?
     
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    Fauci admitted he said N95 and better masks weren't necessary because the government was afraid people would panic and create a shortage for healthcare workers.

    I knew from seeing Canadian government reports (see below) that respirators had been used successfully to protect healthcare folks in Canada in the 2003 SARS outbreak:

    "In the meantime, until more is known about the exact mechanisms of acquisition, the Ontario Ministry of Health has provided a series of directives to Ontario hospitals outlining procedures that must be put into place in the event of another SARS outbreak, for high-risk respiratory procedures (outbreak and non-outbreak conditions), and isolation precautions for patients suspected of having SARS. The recommendations for isolation precautions for SARS patients (suspect or confirmed) include:
    • private room, preferably with negative pressure ventilation and anteroom
    • long-sleeved gown
    • N95 mask or equivalent, for which the wearer has been fit-tested
    • hair cover
    • protective eyewear
    • full faceshield
    • gloves"
    https://ipac-canada.org/sars.php

    Do I trust Fauci? Not entirely because he knew about SARS in 2003 (see above) and that respirators provided protection.

    I said in February we should use the Defense Production Act to provide quality PPE to everyone. We could have avoided the mask wars--you protect yourself and your family members, as you see fit.

    Trump failed because he didn't make good PPE available to those who want it.

    As Joe says, "Here's the deal, folks..." We may have mask mandates today because government denied people the option to protect themselves and their families.
     
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    I do my homework instead of looking at pictures.
     
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    What homework? When did you visit Tokyo?
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    So you were saying " only those who have symptoms wear masks"?
     
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    Of course, there's fear. Pols hate it when supporters are wrong on an issue, or they have to deliver bad news based on revealed truth.
     
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    I’m not confused. You are. I apologize for the firearm analogy. Clearly the subject isn’t in your wheelhouses enough to work in our discussion. Let’s try this one.

    New vehicles have that sticker in the window that states the milage per gallon for that model. Can that vehicle achieve that milage? Yes, but it’s quite common for owners to discover they do not get the claimed milage. Why? Because driving style, trip length, altitude, fuel quality differences, road conditions, temperature and varying uses of auxiliary power draws (air conditioning, stereo systems, etc,) all affect the actual mileage in real life. In contrast, the manufacturer may have slowly accelerated to 55 miles per hour on an oval track and maintained speed for their test. Or maybe even tested on a dynometer.. In recent years manufacturers have been more “honest” with consumers, but still not everyone gets the claimed mileage. I believe the problem is worse in parts of Europe.

    The point is just because a car can get 35 mpg doesn’t mean it will with Denny Hamlin or Kyle Busch in the driver’s seat.

    In the same way, a mask can reduce transmission, but it won’t necessarily do so in practical use. And when everyone is wearing a mask like Busch drives at the track, the mask likely isn’t reducing transmission. :)
     
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    Wearing a mask can raise the risk remember? In fact those who were wearing were told by the scientist NOT to wear them because they could cause you to get infected You like when you do as Biden does here

    Start at 3:10


    So what is the risk reward especially when controlled studies show they have no effect on infection rates,
     
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    Trump's CDC? The CDC with his boy Azar in charge?

    Try again.
     
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