Majority of Americans Support Medicaid for All

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  1. Bluesguy

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    I'm on Medicare and both Medicare and SS are unsustainable into the future. A defined benefit, you pay in and you get a defined benefit. Put everyone on Medicare whether they pay in or not and the entire program will change, it will no longer be Medicare.

    The fact remains when people find out the details support dramatically falls.
     
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    If MFA is that popular, than its up to the people to push their reps to pass appropriate legislation.
     
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    You’re making stuff up and are the typical guy whose collecting his benefits and wants someone else to get their own and not bother you. Where is the reference to this poll ?

    First, SS trust fund and the basic trust fund for Medicare are in the Black. The only deficit is that which has been robbed from theses funds and substituted with treasury bonds. They appear as a deficit.

    Basic Medicare and SS will be solvent to the foreseeable future if one thing is done. Simply apply a COLA on the cap that higher income people enjoy for their incomes and include capital gains in payroll taxes. This s how higher income people avoid taxation.

    You appear to be a scared little puppy who spends way too much time listening to Faux tripe. Why not listen to Mitch ? He wants a 5% cut in Medicare, SS and MEDICAID. He wants to cut the program you want AND the other one you are enrolled in. You’re duped.


    You know Medicare is a dependable plan.
    You also know, that the 20% you have to privaly insure yourself, Costs x10 tines per dollar what Medicare charges.

    So those simple FACTS, good coverage, economical, and dependability make it head and shoulders over Medicaid.

    You’d love Medicaid coverage as a conservative.....it would be much easier to cut and much easier to control funds going to California and New York.

    You’re way too obvious and you keep repeating the same fears with no evidence and devoid of facts but plenty of fear mongering.,
     
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  4. Bluesguy

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    I gave you a cite and a link. They are in the black NOW but unsustainable. I am in Medicare because I am FORCED BY LAW to be on it and have paid into it all my life. The fact remains turning Medicare into a welfare healthcare one payer system would fundimentally end Medicare and when people are actually informed of what "Medicare for all" really is support drops dramatically.
     
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    You saying something Faux news says does not make it fact.

    You’re site is from Fiscal Times, a self described OPINION blog.
    It was NOT. USA Today .
    Why did you lie ?

    Enrolling everyone in Medicare increases the contributions, it’s a simple matter of matching taxes with expenditures like is already done by the IRS.

    The savings come from not paying profits to insurance companies. The overhead is 2% vs 18%, what part if the basic math gives you problems ? .p
     
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    Btw, you lie again. You are not FORCED BY LAW TO ENROLL IN MEDICARE !!

    You can easily apply for an exemption. Go ahead, find a plan that’s cheaper on the Market. Stop lying !
     
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    Your quote...where us the link ??
    Not the one from Fiscal Tines..

    “USA Today and when people are told thedetails that support drops dramatically”
     
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    No it's not. Many red states don't even participate in Medicaid, and do so at a minimum level of participation in the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare was never the final answer. It was a place holder. They knew when it was passed, it would need alterations & improvements within two years, but of course the Republicans killed that possibility, and spent the last six years of the Obama years repeatedly passing bills designed to kill Obamacare altogether, including the requirement for insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. I suspect every Republican voted for that demolition at some point in those six years. Even now, 10 red states are pushing a challenge to Obamacare thru the courts, trying to kill it from behind--using the courts as an activist branch of government to attain their own private goals--to screw the public and give full authority & power to the insurance companies. I don't understand why conservatives are OK with paying corrupt insurance companies whatever they demand for health care coverage, but are fanatically opposed to paying the government for that same coverage at a cheaper price. Why do they regard corrupt insurance companies as a positive force in our lives while dismissing the government outright as if it were inherently evil? Government is as good as the people we elect to serve as office holders. If we vote carefully, we can have excellent government. The choice is ours to make.
     
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    Well, if you can find a doctor that takes medicaid........
     
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    I can fix that they want to hold a medical license or be permitted to practice then they would need to accept a quota of patients since Medicaid would be the sole plan they would have a choice only take cash patients or not do business at all but Medicare would be done away with so more money could be added and once could add co-pays for those with higher incomes.
     
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    ALL States have Medicaid just in Florida its limited to poor seniors with joint programs with Medicare, children, pregnant women and those disabled persons on social security income (SSI). Those are the groups who should get it IMHO.
     
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    You see, that's one example of the dysfunction we all endure with our current system of healthcare. A national healthcare system--national Medicare for example--would resolve such irritating and awkward issues & make the entire system function much smoother. You would eliminate much of the harmful competition and agonizing differences in coverage and treatment policies found at various localities nationwide. The system would become much more harmonious. And, we need that.
     
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    Good informative post.
     
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    So you want to run doctors out of business unless they capitulate to their demands. It's gonna be hard to get PCPs that way.
     
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    No, but I'd like to make America non-dependent on insurance companies for healthcare, or at least demote them to secondary coverage providers. Right now, insurance companies make the determination of what doctors can & cannot treat & how, based on bottom line expense guidelines rather than what the patient actually needs. That should be unacceptable. Also, prescription medicines should never cost substantially more in the U.S. than the same medicines do in foreign markets. I think laws should be passed allowing medical patients to buy prescriptions from out of country. That would add competition and lower prices for everyone, and potentially save lives.
     
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    Yes feel free to refute the cite.
     
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    I don't have an exemption BY LAW you must enroll in Medicare, there is no choice it is automatic. And accusations of lying will get you reported and your post deleted.
     
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    Good thought but you run the risk of fake medications
     
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    Every state must participate in Medicaid.

    So you think we should force other countries to pay a fair price? And buying from Mexico how do you know what you are getting? Also do you think that generics should be allowed the day after a drug is approved?
     
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    No you should do what other countries have done

    Enact protections against price gouging
    Get Big Pharma out of the pockets of republicans
    And develop a single buyer point that has the clout to negotiate
     
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    Wrong.
    You can refuse Medicare. March your buttocks down to the nearest federal building and tell them you no longer want Medicare. They’ll give you special exemption forms. You can also refuse to pay. But you never thought of that before eligibility

    How do you think Mennonite refuse federal payroll taxes ?

    https://www.frugalconfessions.com/taxes/do-the-amish-pay-taxes.php



    That shouldn’t be too hard for you. You believe in the tooth fairy. They will let you.
     
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    As with most problems, there are ways to fix it.
     
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    What’s a cite ?
     
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    The basic Medicaid program for nursing homes and elderly is common to all states.


    “Medicaid also offers benefits not normally covered by Medicare, like nursing home care and personal care services. The Health Insurance Association of America describes Medicaid as a "government insurance program for persons of all …”

    The Medicaid expansion to help cover low wage earners for insurance was OPTIONAL
    And many Republican lead states refused it and left millions uninsured.
    That’s why it’s a poor vehicle to insure all people.

    You can be stuck in a state that won’t offer it....and you can’t move. Medicaid is a match fund vehicle, Medicare is funded all federally.
     
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    http://www.seniorcorps.org/medicare/can-i-refuse-medicare/

    Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong ?
    Ok, you’re posts are filled with habitual fibs. Does that feel better ?


    What do you call it when you throw stuff out there that ISN'T true..all the time
     
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