Malcolm X did not trust Democrats OR Liberals

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  1. Unifier

    Unifier New Member

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    This is interesting. The further I dig into this, the more the plot thickens. A lot of people on the left today like to claim that the parties have somehow switched sides and that the modern day Democratic party is a virtuous party that supports civil rights. And that when the Democratic party was doing all the slavery and KKK and Jim Crow stuff, those were just Dixiecrats who were really conservatives. But Malcolm X didn't agree with any of that. I keep finding more and more instances of him addressing it in every semantic angle possible to illustrate that it was specifically the liberal Democrats of today that he had a problem with. Listen to the following and tell me what you think. I'm honestly curious. I think this should be an interesting discussion.

    [video=youtube;lRqbBM1t-rc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqbBM1t-rc[/video]

    [video=youtube;XkgA2rUAY-o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkgA2rUAY-o[/video]

    [video=youtube;9hm8wXZmRD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hm8wXZmRD8[/video]

    [video=youtube;PuZiQJuEiv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuZiQJuEiv0[/video]
     
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    You know he was against Whites in general right? This isn't surprising, given what he believed.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so now Conservatives are basing their hatred of Liberals, on the words of a Muslim terrorist?
     
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    CJtheModerate New Member

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    I never thought I would see a conservative try to convince us that an anti-white member of the Nation of Islam was a conservative.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read his ballot or the bullet speech and you will see how conservative Malcom X really was.
     
  6. Tram Law

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    Actually no he wasn't.

    [video=youtube;3xXB48l-OlE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xXB48l-OlE[/video]

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    You're confusing modern with 1950s and 1960s definitions.

    The modern day liebrals and conservatives are something different than them.,
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Forgive me, but a Black Muslim terrorist from the 1960s doesn't say (*)(*)(*)(*) about Liberal Progressives today.

    Its 2015, remember?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Malcolm X had no hatred for whites even though he did often refer to them as White devils he respected anyone who treated others as equals. What I find fascinating about Malcolm X is that he pushed for personal responsibility to the point where personal responsibility would not work because of outside oppression. He believed not in loving your neighbor but holding a gun to their head if they were doing the same for you. He was also Islamic but only to a point where he believed in the religion, not the radicalization of it.

    I would consider him one of the people I actually look up to.
     
  9. Ronstar

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    that's not someone to emulate, but to call 911 over.
     
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    He left the nation of Islam
     
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    He did not teach violence but did teach an eye for an eye.
     
  12. Tram Law

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    He was not a Muslim terrorists.

    Please people,s top confusing today's meanings and semantics with those of his time.

    What he advocated was personal responsibility and self defense against people who would do you in.

    And it was the Nation Of Islam that left him first, because they were resentful and threatened by his popularity. They thought he was going to take it over, but nothing was further from the truth.

    He was such aan affirmed believer in Islam that he didn't even get rich off of the things he said and promoted, he put that money back into his religion.

    Now was he perfect? No.

    But a lot of crap about him comes from two sources: the Nation of Islam, and the FBI. Both groups feared his popularity and influence over other black people.

    So beware of that angle, as well as using modern definitions to confuse things about him.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is a rather prophetic quote from Malcolm X in regards to voting democrat.
     
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    I think calling X a terrorist is a bit of a stretch... he was no saint but a terrorist?
     
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    "But that's a considerable change of opinion in Malcolm X" -about 10 seconds. He's famous for his idea of seperation yes, but towards the end of his career, he was in favor of intergration.
     
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    Pus woe should one forget how it was the Liberals and DNC of 1968 who
    were instructed to beat and tear gas Protestors in the City of Obama and
    Rahm Emanuel { Chicago }.It was BiG Democrat Mayor Daley who in true
    Turn-of-the-Century Chicago as told by Upton Sinlcaire in - The Jungle -.
    Where cheating { outright election fraud } and strong arm tactics via alderman
    and city officials became the rule of the day.
    Daley vowing to refuse permits for those seeking to protest legally.
    Like how George Zimmerman/s friend was refused a permit to hold a
    Pro-Zimmerman Rally.When Al Sharpton got his rally permits { more than one }
    in a matter of hours.
    August 28,1968 began to be known as " Police Riot Day ". It started in the afternoon
    when a young boy lowered the American flag at a legal rally taking place at Grant park.
    The police broke thru the crowd and began beating the boy.The crowd of protestors
    got riled-up and began throwing things.Eventually tear gas was used.
    So much tear gas that it worked it's way over to the Hilton Hotel where it disturbed
    Hubert Humphrey while in his shower.Eventually there was a police assault in
    front of the Hilton Hotel later that night.
    That is how Democrats and a Big City Democrat mayor handle things.
    Richard Daley who had special connections to the Kennedy family as he
    was very Irish and Very democrat.Explains why it is considered fact that
    Chicago helped elect J.F.K. in a very close race.With statements such
    as " he stole the election fair & square ".
     
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    So is the point of this post that conservatives aren't ever racist or that liberals are? I fail to see the point of categorizing Democrats/Republicans from 50 years ago as some kind of statement about today. Both parties today have moved farther from the center in their respective "directions". At least the politicians of yesteryear managed to find ways to work together towards compromise, even if it didn't always work out well. This babyish back-and-forth bickering and nonsense which seems to be the only finished product our current Congress can muster is pointless and stupid. And now, because of the internet and 24 hour news channels, they've managed to get the entire country in on the babyish back-and-forth bickering and nonsense. Most of the people inclined to pay even marginal attention to politics in this country are now so busy saying "Grrrr, the other guys, grrr" that nothing gets done, no progress is made, and the nation slowly slides down the crapper. Just read this website, it's full of idiots who think they can know everything about a person's desires, goals, and motivations simply by their political persuasion or even their opinion on one specific issue. I've often wondered if it's because we get most, if not all, of our news off of a "screen" that people think that means the people you see on those screens are as simple and one dimensional as the characters you see in a movie or TV show. Only now those assumptions extend to everyone. It's like our politicians and the media literally have the citizens of this country in a perpetual Stooges skit, where we just bang each other over the head with cast iron skillets all the time. And then we wonder why nothing gets done.

    It's stupid stupid stupid.
     
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    No... the point of this post was to elucidate reality.Liberals and the Democrat
    Party always distort reality in favor of positives for themselves and negatives for
    their opposition { Republicans.}. No finer example than Obama.
    Unless you can Post one nice thing Obama ever said about The Tea Party.
    Obama also had to take one of The Greatest *speeches ever heard in our Congress
    and diminish it as if ... What's the Big Deal.Obama quickly saying he DIDN'T watch/listen to
    the speech.He was too busy on some conference call to some Ukranian
    official.Meaning Democrats and Liberals LIE right out in the open.
    They play on the publics impressionably naïve heartstrings.Whether it's
    denying kids school lunch programs or starving old seniors.Shoving them off the cliff
    because they no longer serve the needs of America.That is what democrats think/do.
    Yes,there are Death Panels in ObamaCare.Or a board of appointed bureauocrats who
    are charged with determining just who gets life saving or important care after a
    certain age.Obama even said it himself.Liberals like to be tricky and telegraph their
    doublespeak.In June of 2009 a older lady asked Obama about " quality of life
    or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age ". Obama responded like he normally
    does with touchy feely generalities and Dr.Feelgood blather.
    Saying stuff like " we're not gonna solve every difficult problem " then going into " we
    as a culture & society starting to make better decisions in our own familes ".
    yeah yeah yeah.That explains why Dr.Ezekiel Emanuel was one of the ObamaCare
    authors.Having written about end of life expense and need to regulate it in :
    - Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Intervention - which is a nice {dr.Feelgood}
    way of establishing them DEATH PANELS. Meaning you reach a certain age,and some
    board determines if you get whatever care you want and can afford.
    I just wonder what Great Americans like Bob Hope and George Burns and
    Hal Roach { The Little Rascals } would have thought about dat.
    No I doesn't.
    Democrats LIE !
    Republicans Talk Turkey



    * Benjamin Netanyahu's address to congress
     
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    Why on earth would a white man be digging into something from way back in the past of a dead civil rights activist, seems like there must be some sort of agenda there, I wonder what it is, not really.
     
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    What kind of idiot would trust Democrats or liberals. Both have shown themselves to be totally undeserving of trust.
     
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    Unless you consider our current Attorney General { Eric Holder } some whitey.
    Holder recently interviewed by Mike Allen of Politico said this :
    I say this not to every African-American of his age,
    but for every American,that you read the Autobiography of Malcolm X."
     
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    Conservatives don't hate liberals, Ronstar. Liberals are the party of hatred, of purges, of pogroms. "I hate all Republicans and everything they stand for," said Gov. Howard Dean. Typical liberal.
     
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    And the truly dopey thing is,like Hillary they are brazen and so arrogant they
    think everything we have them On Record saying and doing cannot be
    spun away.Which is why Bill Clinton { Slick Willy }relied so heavily on his many spin
    doctors.From Doug Hattaway, to Julian Epstein to Lanny Davis,Ann Lewis
    and even Geraldo Rivero { had a 9pm Primetime hour on CNBC }
    where each night made a bet that his Boy { Slick Willy } would never be Impeached.
     
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    Malcolm X was not a Muslim terrorist. He was a minister of the Black Muslims from the early 50's until 1963. Then he became a mainstream Muslim and changed his views on lots of things, including race. He was killed on Feb. 21, 1965.
     
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    I have read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X " a few times. It appears to me that Malcolm didn't care for either political party. I'm going to go search for the passage in his book that confirms this. Be right back. :smile:
     

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