Man killed during FBI raid in Utah posted threats online against Biden, sources say

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Because I'm not stupid...lol
     
  2. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    No, they executed a pre-dawn tactical raid. They knew the guy wasn't going to surrender and they took advantage of that to justify killing him, or, they're just too incompetent to figure another way to take him into custody.
     
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    That's narrative, my statements are just facts. Hopefully at some point they release body camera data.
     
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    Yeah, I think that's why he mentioned something about having guns if they came there again. I think he said something about when they "came back." And, like you said before, it sounds like the gave him the chance to peacefully surrender. He chose violence. His death is on him. My heart goes out to the agent or agents who had to pull the trigger. I've heard from people like that. Even when justified, it sticks with you.
     
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    They knew he wouldn't comply with an order that he was legally required to comply with . . . and so it is their fault he didn't comply? I'm trying to think of something dumber I've read today, and I just can't think of anything. Why is your solution that he should have just been allowed to keep violating the law with impunity?
     
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    I also really want to see the body camera footage as well to wrap this one up.
     
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    Definitely. I'll even allow for the possibility that the agents were at fault. I've seen footage of unjustified shootings before. But until I see evidence to the contrary, after all of the **** I've already seen this guy saying, I have to assume for the moment that the shooting was justified. I won't say he "deserved it," because I've been informed that's against forum rules, but I will say it appears justified.
     
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    As of 2021 DOJ said that Federal LEOs serving warrants would be required to wear body cameras. If the camera footage is released we will know what to think. If it is not released, one could assume the official story lacks veracity.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/1004...-require-federal-officers-to-wear-body-camera

    Federal agents will now be required to wear body cameras when executing search warrants or making pre-planned arrests, according to a new policy outlined Monday by the Justice Department's second highest-ranking official.
     
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    No, it's a fact that they conducted a pre-dawn tactical raid.

    Feds don't usually wear body cameras.
     
  10. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Of course you're going to believe it's justified. He was hating on your hero and the FBI would never lie, or do anything untoward, ever.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    I'll be shocked if body camera footage is made public, if there is any at all.
     
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    Really? That’s the best you have?

    She made a tasteless joke and was deservedly fired. But it did not amount to a threat.
     
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    They were ordered by Biden to wear body cameras. Of course that was an order probably intended as CYA for arrests involving a certain demographic. Interesting that the Democrat George Floyd Justice in Policy Act would have only imposed body camera requirements on uniformed Federal LEOs. Wonder why that was?

    https://www.govexec.com/management/...ral-law-enforcement-wear-body-cameras/367381/
     
  14. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    I'll still be shocked if there's body cam footage.
     
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    Exactly so. No more a threat of violence than the Palin crosshairs political ad the Huffers Post and other liberal media raged about.
     
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    In this case, yes.
     
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    Reports are that it was trump's social media site that turned the man's threatening posts over to the FBI.
    Credit where credit's due.
     
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    He was a threat to his BMI
     
  19. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    At least you're honest about it...lol.
     
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    His body, his choice. Right?
     
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    She beheaded the sitting President of the United States in effigy. Much worse than making threats. And absolutely a crime!
     
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    Do you even know what the term means? lol

    It means extra judicial execution practiced by death squads. Such as depicted in this famous photo. You know, the sort of thing humans rights organization try to fight. Do you believe in the US Constitution and human rights?

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  23. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Oh, he knows what the term means.
     
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    The Palin crosshairs we’re not a threat but very tasteless.
     
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    I disagree lol
     
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