Mar-a-Lago raided by National Archives to retrieve White House records.

reminds one how he thought about Ivanka and Tiffany, all about how they make him look when he stands next to them

"Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ob-capitol-riots-poor-low-class-b1785099.html

 

@Lee Atwater, I was just thinking about something. I'm not old enough to have known Nixon as POTUS. Was there anything like this at the end of his run in the Oval Office? I was thinking about that because it would seem that there should have been some kind of provisions made or should be made moving forward.

I can't recall if it was part of what you quoted or someone else mentioned it, but, **somebody** must have had reservations about his document integrity or there would be no reason to remind him of that process.

So, lets say that every quarter or so, the seated POTUS has to turn over documents. That way, ALL is not lost if another lunatic gets elected. At most, it would be whatever was trashed starting with him or her going rogue.

I imagine there are going to be quite a few new policies and procedures for how things are done solely based on him stretching every rule into all his crazy distortions.

 

lock him up, lock him up

 

You are going to hate this, but here's proof. There are names, not anonymous sources, cited in this article.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164

Should I start a thread about possibly charging Trump with crimes?

“t’s an official document,” the then-president told reporters. “You’re not allowed. It’s illegal what she did. She broke the law." -Trump

Rules for thee but not for me!

 

There were very few documents involved in the Watergate scandal, because it all hinged on clandestine burglaries, discovered to have been taped, unknown to the burglars. WIKI is your friend.

IMO it should be a crime to take documents out of the official buildings but today that isn't possible, with computers, copies to easily made and flashdrives which fit into a donut. (so to speak).

I suppose what could happen is some sort of coded access attached to the files themselves necessary to open and/or destroy a cache of documents stored in whatever device.
That way they remain relatively secret and relatively permanent.

 

Nixon was the reason there is a presidential records act apparently

 

OP: It is Trump's nature to take but not give back

 

I seem to recall an awful lot of Repubs losing their shyte over Hillary deleting or destroying what she claimed were personal records/e-mails during the height of the manufactured server scandal. Here we have Trump, with a history of destroying documents, having boxes of documents sent to his residence in FL.........all in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
Speaking of Hillary and POT hypocrisy............

U.S. officials concerned Trump discussing sensitive information on unsecured cellphone
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...itive-information-unsecured-cellphone-n924376

 

Hahaha! Teh Rushunz!!!!

 

The closest thing that's analogous to what Trump has done, IMO, would be the 18 minutes of a WH recording being "mistakenly" erased by Rose Mary Woods. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wat...inute-gap-nixons-secretarys/story?id=47926329

 

No big, we all have 'lives' of some sort.

I don't hold an individual responsible for the actions of others unless they were directly involved. When a person's specific actions cause other events, there is involvement. If Trump specificaly said 'do this' that required staff to violate the Hatch Act, then there is responsibility, but if the individual makes that choice or decision on their own, they own it.

Some people may do that, I don't. The individual is responsible for their own actions. They make a choice, they carry the responsibility.

Have you ever attended an event in a specific place? I've attended several festivals where getting a hotel room was necessary. Rooms of the Motel 6 level, IF you could find them, were going for almost $200 a night, and this was ten years ago. New York, DC, any of the hot spots will double their rates for special events. Until someone can actually prove that they were 'gouging' (by pure definition) then it remains under the 'perception' category.

While Trump may be slimy, he also knows the fine edge of legal. He doesn't steal what he can take legally, or at least, win by lawsuit.

No article I found included a 'judge'. It was after multiple complaints that they finally decided to return the overcharges. As I previously said, slimy.

View attachment 164870 Not an active link, but claims of reaching out to people, and 'someone' claiming he was too busy watching TV.... While one can sit dead still in stunned silence (me on 9/11) I highly doubt this was the case. Of course, that is my opinion, but considering Trump is one of those people who is constantly 'doing something', I doubt he was sitting back and eating popcorn.

I misspoke - it was strokes, not a heart attack. Officer Sicknick suffered strokes and died of natural causes, DC medical examiner says - CNNPolitics

Timeline of National Guard Deployment to Capitol - FactCheck.org According to this article, Pence requested the National Guard. No one seems to indicate if he had the actual authority to do so. Of course, there are multiple 'un-named sources' involved in the article, which always casts a shadow.

that's how it should be, but we've already long since established the Rude, crude and socially unacceptable aspect of Trump.

Though highly biased, this gives a summary Biden Executive Orders: What He Signed on His First Day | PEOPLE.com

The job of government, IMO, is to create the environ to help people and business to expand and grow. Everyone benefits with that expansion, monetarily, socially and equally. When the government (federal or local) adds more regulations, laws and taxes, it is the antithesis to that expansion. Threatening a vaccine mandate to enforce injections, and much less putting the administrative and penalty weight on businesses to carry the mandate forward, was a horrible, horrible idea. While trying to address labor shortages across all markets, the last thing should be something that would require employers to terminate people who don't comply with a violation of body sovereignty. If a person wants an injection, then by all means get it. If they don't want it, then don't. But Biden got a good part of what he wanted when several large employers were willing to risk their employees to comply.

And, as we've learned, the benefit of it is not what it was sold as.....

The media is a huge part of the problem. The have polarized the public, skewed perceptions, and have painted a HUGE portrait of a 'us versus them' picture that doesn't exist for most reasonable people. And people like Stacey Abrams promoting the idea of conflict, physical confrontation. Yeah, that is a problem.

We've already agreed Trump will work something until it is no longer profitable, but also as I've said, he stays one foot on the side of legal. He's not 'stupid', but unfortunately he does lack common sense IMO.

 

Thanks Lee. I didn't know anything about that as I never read up on any of it.

I think it's strange that we don't have some degrees of separation in cases like these. I mean, his secretary works for him. If she wants to keep her job, she has to do what he asks even if that means "mistakenly" erasing an incriminating recording.

Same deal with Trump. He's infamous for shady dealings. Why would anyone in his camp NOT help him skirt the rules if their jobs or careers depended on it? He is well-known for holding grudges. He's not the type to just fire somebody and let them go on with their lives and DC was cutthroat before he came along to sully our Oval Office.

I tell people that a surefire barometer is a revolving door of employees. Good companies and good employers have good employees and they want to keep it that way. If somebody is changing staff more often than some change their socks, there's something toxic happening. Sure, there are some people that are not good fits and it's hard to know that until they are in position but they don't even seem to question why **EVERYBODY** is either the best thing since Orange Jesus or the worst possible idiot on the planet. There has to be some others somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. And, if he's so amazing at picking the best people, how did any idiots get on his staff in the first place?

In his toxic brain, anybody that does his bidding, however crazy, immoral, unethical or illegal is cool. Anybody that doesn't, isn't. That's not a good way to manage people because we miss a completely different perspective. Case in point, this stupid Big Lie. He would have known most of us don't worship the ground he walks on if he didn't fire everybody for telling him uncomfortable truths or being unwilling to repeat his stupid @ss lies. Rally attendance is not an indicator of what happens at the polls. He surrounded himself in these echo chambers and then wants to cry "foul" because it hurts that everybody doesn't love him or even like him. He's detestable on every level.

However, had I been a supporter at any point, I wouldn't have been able to shrug off him shrugging off COVID, all the gazillion "mystery money management" (why would anybody think he could handle our money when he can't handle his own?) issues, short-sightedness, anger management issues, playing dirty to time the exit from Afghanistan on Biden's watch so he can jump in and say "this is why I need to be re-elected.", immaturity so pronounced a day care program has more stable people and I mean among the kids, too many unexplained financial connections with our enemies, etc..

This isn't rocket science. Anyone truly concerned about our country and our future can clearly see that he's not working for our side and it ticks me off (quite a feat) when they claim we fired him because of mean tweets. Pathetic. Hell, at this point, I'd endure his stupid tweets for the rest of my life for the rest of his shadiness to not have happened.

And, for the love of all that's holy, we need to revamp some of these rules so goofballs can't erase their bosses incriminating conversations and hide a lunatics dirty dealings. Maybe that could involve a non-government, third-party company (or more than one so no partisanship loyalties) to just go in and get the stuff for safe-keeping until it's needed in court or whatever. There is no Earthly reason what's her face should have been able to touch those tapes the second there were any suspicions about Nixon's involvement in Watergate. There is no Earthly reason any of Trump's staff should have access to those documents or anything else once Trump was under investigation. And, an unaffiliated third party is just a "place holder" which would make it more difficult for people to reinvent history. The documents already exist and nobody interested in them not existing can get near them.

 

No, Since the Clintons did that, they don't allow you to walk out with furniture and paintings anymore

 

I have to write something because the pearl clutchers like to report my posts if I don't make a complete sentence so here is a sentence about nothing in the world because like their deity, they are a hypersensitive lot.

 

I think that after Hillary and Trump's abuse of powers as in regards to government regulations, we can safely assume that American Laws
do NOT apply to the rich and powerful.

 

National Archives asks Justice Dept. to investigate Trump’s handling of White House records

The National Archives and Records Administration has asked the Justice Department to examine Donald Trump’s handling of White House records, sparking discussions among federal law enforcement officials about whether they should investigate the former president for a possible crime, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The referral from the National Archives came amid recent revelations that officials recovered 15 boxes of materials from the former president’s Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida that were not handed back in to the government as they should have been, and that Trump had turned over other White House records that had been torn up. Archives officials suspected Trump had possibly violated laws concerning the handling of government documents — including those that might be considered classified — and reached out to the Justice Department, the people familiar with the matter said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/09/trump-archives-justice-department/

A former senior administration official said the staff was careful not to leave classified or particularly sensitive information with Trump, because there was a widespread belief he may mishandle it. “We would brief him on information, but we wouldn’t leave him the papers,” said the official, who worked for Trump for several years. “He usually wouldn’t care.”

Hillary Clinton, Trump’s opponent in 2016, was famously investigated by the FBI for possibly mishandling classified information in connection with her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state. That investigation began after a referral from the intelligence community’s inspector general.

Clearly what Trump did was a violation of law.

 

They are reporting some of the documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago bore the Top Secret stamp.