Mass shootings at New Zealand mosques kill 49

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  1. vman12

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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What really blew the lid off after General Tommy Franks conquered Iraq was when the Muslims blew up that famous mosque with the golden dome and later they blew the bottom mosque up called Al Nuri.

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    what evidence to the contrary? most white nationalists are Christians, most that hate Muslims are Christians, just reality

    could their be a Atheist White Nationalist, sure, but it's rare

    the right said the same about the white nationalist that shot up the black church here... then turned out he was Christian as well
     
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    More nonsense:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017...white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

    TRUMP: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you had, you had a group on one side that was bad. And you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group – you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent.

    REPORTER: Do you think what you call the alt left is the same as neo-Nazis?

    TRUMP: Those people – all of those people, excuse me – I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.

    REPORTER: Well, white nationalists –

    TRUMP: Those people were also there, because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue Robert E. Lee. So – excuse me – and you take a look at some of the groups and you see, and you’d know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you’re not. Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So this week, it’s Robert E. Lee, I noticed that Stonewall Jackson’s coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after. You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

    REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

    TRUMP: But, they were there to protest – excuse me – you take a look the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead.

    REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

    TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is.

    REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

    TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

    REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

    TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

    REPORTER: I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?

    TRUMP: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don't know if you know, but they had a permit. The other group didn't have a permit. So I only tell you this: there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final – does anybody have a final question? You have an infrastructure question.
     
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    yes, Trump tried to walk it back, Trump is a idiot

    kinda like when Trump said he misspoke in Russia.. North Korea.. ect....
     
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    He didn't walk anything back.

    He said that in addition to the violent white supremacists, and the violent leftists, there were people there who belonged to neither of those groups.

    Those were the "very fine people" that weren't attacking each other, that were there to peacefully protest the removal of the statue.

    The MSM kept trying to pretend that there were only two groups there: white nationalists and antifa.

    That is a lie.

    He clearly condemned both of the violent groups, then correctly pointed out that not everyone there belonged to one of those two violent groups.
     
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    According to his manifesto, Tarrant's political idol was Sir Oswald Mosley, a Fabian and a member of the British Labour Party, who like another socialist in Italy went on to form his own party:

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    so why not just sign it, why refuse to sign a bill condemning anti-semitism and hate

    "The 23 Republicans who voted against the anti-hate resolution"

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ns-who-voted-against-the-anti-hate-resolution

    "Twenty-three Republican lawmakers voted against a resolution condemning anti-Semitism and other forms of hatred on Thursday"
     
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    Which one is the leader of the most powerful country on Earth? He also didn't just mention Trump. Like it or not, Trump and this shooter's association of Trump and white supremacy are part of this story.
     
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    Trump walked it back, rather then condemn the white nationalist he choose to say that... sad!
     
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    Well that would be because the only anti-semitism was coming from a singular person that they didn't want to name.
     
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    Were we to have blamed Obama, the left would have been enraged.
     
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    So when it's put in front of you, in black and white, where he repeatedly condemns white nationalists, you still refuse to see it.

    Go forth with your ignorance and hate. It will bring great things to the country.
     
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    the right did blame Obama, called him a Muslim when they knew he was a Christian even
     
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    Only Republicans can vote against antisemitism
     
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    Do you believe the Democrats only hear using one ear?

    We heard what Trump said and he did not praise the violence at all.
     
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    after the fact, in a prepared statement (not Trump's words), Trump walked it back

    the real Trump is when he talks off script
     
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    Yeah, and Ilhan Omar struck a chord with David Duke. Does that make her an excellent white supremacist?
     
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    Look at the nasty things the Democrats say about Trump. They were all over President Bush and even accused him for being the cause of 911 or the promoter or the guilty party.
     
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    That's why it hasn't been posted yet. If it's not the big evil racist, homophobic, xenophobic, KKK loving United States it doesn't count.
     
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    Beating Clinton didn't take much skill. And Trump couldn't even do that. He needed an archaic electoral system to drag himself across the finish line. If Trump was an effective politician, there would be a wall and healthcare repeal. How do you screw that up when your party runs Congress? Pathetic.
     
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    David duke supports Trump too

    David Duke supports Omar as he think she is Anti-Jew, he supports Trump as he thinks Trump is anti-Black
     
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    I just gave you the friggin transcript of the press conference, but you still choose to cling to your hate.

    I guess we just have to take this to it's inexorable ending.
     
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    I just watched ABC version of this shooting and it never blamed Trump for the killings. Funny how at last one news source did not blame Trump.
     
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    And Ilhan Omar. And Tulsi Gabbard. And Rashida Talib.
     

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