Meanwhile 60% of top diplomats leave State Dept

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is doing America's enemies work for them.

    There is no excuse for such blatant neglect and deconstruction of the State Dept.

    Trump is a menace to america and his supporters are witting and unwitting accomplices.

    STupid partisanship and damn smart enemies.




    http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-depts-top-ranking-career-employees-have-left

    About 60 percent of top-ranking career diplomats have left the State Department, McClatchy reported.

    The number of people seeking to join the foreign service has also decreased, with applications dropping by half, according to the news outlet, which cited recent data from the American Foreign Service Association.

    Last week's resignation of the U.S. ambassador to Panama also resulted in people serving at the State Department raising questions about their own work there, it added.



    John Feeley resigned from his post, saying he can no longer serve under Trump.
    “Given what happened in the last few days, people are wondering how are they going to be effective in an environment like this,” a U.S. official who works regularly with the State Department told McClatchy.

    “It’s one thing for us to go in and slam our hands on the table and say this is what we want ... It’s another to denigrate them and make it crystal clear this is what our leadership thinks about them in the vulgarest of terms.”
     
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    draining the swamp is the whole point.

    MAGA
     
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    The deep state is dying. It is a great day in America.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right totally idiocy is draining the swamp. Let me put it metaphorically

    Imagine its the superbowl and your team is favored and the new coach comes in and says guys, I got a great plan to win the super bowl. I'm cutting 15 of the first stringers, they can pack up and leave. Now all you second stringers go out and win the game I don't know how but just do it because I"m the coach and you have to do what I say.

    If this metaphor does not penetrate then no wonder your are a die hard trumpette. Such stupidity is a dereliction of his duty to defend american from all enemies both foreign and domestic. The man is uninformed and illinformed and incompetent. But of course the racists, the bigots and those lacking critical thinking skills will gleefully applaud him. MAGA - who knew it was the antithesis of patriotism.
     
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    These are the people that stood by while Clinton ran the State Department as a revenue stream for the Clinton Foundation.

    Good riddance.
     
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    Yeah ............. The new standard for world relations........Trump using Twitter will negotiate all the world's countries without allied support ........

    all the shithole countries who can blow America up ................

    So Statesmen who learned about other countries idiosyncrasies, history, culture, needs and ambitions are no longer qualified to be diplomats

    Wow !! Hopefully Trump will not be the Last President of America !!
     
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    Imagine it's the Super Bowl, your team is favored and the new coach comes in and says guys, we're not diverse enough so I'm gonna have to cut some of you to make room for other races even if they're not as good as you. And you know what? That other team out there has been oppressed by us for centuries, so I'm going to let them play by special rules that don't apply to us, they get 6 plays to go 5 yards for a first down. And they don't have to actually score, they can simply identify as scoring and they get the points. And guys, it gets better. We're going to take all the players who don't want to be on that shithole team and let them come to ours, unfortunately some of you will lose your positions and there will be less money to go around for the players who remain because it will be you guys who support them. Finally, as our special guests for today's game, we've invited several VIPs to watch, they being Harvey Weinstein and Al Franken. But due to politically correct rule changes, they'll be sharing a bathroom with your daughters. Now let's play this game to a tie for the Gipper.
     
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    All they learned was how to be cucks in nice suits.

    These people didn't set out to make America great or set America's interests above all others.

    Well except when it came to the Clinton Foundation, heh, that was probably the only time any of them ever worked hard in the interest of anything America.

    Trump said it best almost 9 years ago when he was speaking about how the US negotiates its trade deals.

    Paraphrasing: "we send cultural bureaucrats, they send their most sinister business sharks".

    That's how we ended up with these shitty trade deals.

    That's how we ended up allowing a world recognize terror nation to develop a nuclear weapons program (and paid them for it too).

    That's how we ended being a dumping ground for displaced 3rd worlders.
     
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    BAHAHAH, Steve wins.

     
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    Having people leave is one thing - but not getting applicants to refill the positions? That’s trouble.
     
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    Good post............
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    please good riddance the amount of nonsense that you post lays bare your intent. Idiotic whataboutery is NO EXCUSE.

    NOt much of an american patriot I see.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what a moronic post. I wonder what could possibly be the motivation? Oh yea, attempting ridicule because that is all ya got.

    troll or goosestepper or just good ol' boy the radical right continues to demonstrate their intellectual bankruptcy. Hate spreads directly proportionately to the lack of critical thinking amongst the population.

    The only real question is this a professional gig or not.
     
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    no it is more like you have a team with a losing record and the franchise is going broke because it is top heavy with to many coaches that aren't getting the job done so you cut the staff in half getting rid of the none productive dead weight
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amazing it just bounces right of you with whataboutery. Its truly amazing you think this truly dumb kind of argumentation can succeed. I get it that it salves your bias to constantly look for justification of the indefensible. Its kinda sad that you actually think it makes any difference to the facts.

    You couldn't care less about american values or american power or the american people. Its a typical attitude that is the same phenomenon as the blind faith one finds in any fringe group including nutbar crazy Islamist scumbags. Its the only kind of reinforcement they can get.
     
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    Same thing happened when Sen. Joe McCarthy, a Republican, gutted the State Department in about 1950.
    Calling them Commies... With no real Asia veterans left in the State Department, we quickly fell into the Korean War.
    How many died as a result? Do Republicans ever learn? No, they don't...
    And neither do Americans.
     
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    Happy trails.

    "Seasoned lifelong career diplomats" that never should have had the longevity they've so so unearned.

    A major difference from most every other government employee, is that with the State Dept is thst the Foreign Service uses a “rank in person” rather than “rank in position” system. Career ambassadors who have advanced in age or fallen out of favor can often be found wandering around Foggy Bottom while retaining their rank and salary. In most other government agencies that would constitute a demotion and a reduction in both items. (See 3 FAM 6213.3-3).

    Tillerson can also make use of the TIC-out feature of Foreign Service mandatory retirement rules. It’s an up-or-out system so anyone who doesn’t get a promotion within a specified timeframe is forced out, whether or not they qualify for retirement. Senior Foreign Service officers are especially vulnerable. Except niches carved out like:

    "3 FAM 6213.3-1 Members Who Are not Subject to Mandatory Retirement for Time-in-Class (TIC)

    (CT:pER-594; 03-06-2007)
    (State only)
    (Applies to Foreign Service Employees)

    Career Foreign Service (FS) specialists in classes FS-9, FS-8, FS-7, FS-6, and FS-5, are not subject to mandatory retirement for time-in-class (TIC)."


    Can you imagine the damage to budget and efficiency this country sized army of ussless fools was doing. These are "flag" rank fools, generals by strict comparison, all with "no show" jobs that pay $100,000's (that's plural for the slow). Our government is run like the mob!

    The State Department has become bloated by irrational rule promulgated by other self serving government types. We see similar issues throughout government, especially the federal government. It's mostly hidden, unsustainable and the scale of it is what we refer to as "The Swamp".

    I can smell it from here!
     
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    The State Dep't is a nest filled with radical leftists who hate America. They cheered when Obama apologized for America's existence.

    The more that leave, the better off we are.
     
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    These are obviously left wingers. And not patriotic. So, good riddance.

    So, what percentage of these people joined the dept under obama? If the percentage is high, then there ya go. Understandable.

    I see them as sissies. Weak. So don't let the door hit you in the arse. They served under hillary, right? lol And were ok with her? And there is your problem.
     
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    So in other words, leftists and RINOs are leaving in droves. Excellent! Thanks for the good news. The thing about the diplomatic corps is that the duty is so sweet and so lucrative that there is always a waiting line. So no problem; since it certainly beats having to work for a living.
     
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    What nonsense. Trump's negotiators are trying to play zero sum hardball. NO clue we Canadians play hockey and can take the hit to win the game. BTW apart from not kissing his butt, we filed 200 complaints with the WTO. Oh and his screwing with a deal where the total trade surplus in around $60 Billion. Yep america makes that off canadian trade and he's trying to bully America's closest strategic Partner. IOW clueless negotiating in a partnership worth $575 BILLION a year. Yep that's a land shark for ya.

    For somebody that that obviously doesn't have a clue about economics or what and how soft power is used, let alone what it depends on, doesn't stop you from spouting bumperstickers. Positive reinforcement of emotional based confirmation bias. or in the language of trump Big mouth, no substance. Classic profile.
     
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    So in other words, amoral leftists are collectively having yet another litter of kittens because Trump doesn't want to follow Obama policy and progressively (ha!) deep six the best interests of this nation.
     
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    When applications decline it is usually the best-qualified applicants that drop out because they can get better careers and more money elsewhere.
     
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    Especially for RUssia & China.
     
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    What nonsense. Do you have any idea how soft power works? You think leading the world is just having the biggest dick on the planet?

    Do you have any idea how trump has CRIPPLED america on the world stage? Do you have any idea of the billions in intellectual and institutional capital walked out the door? Do you have any idea of how State was a pillar of information and advice when weighing foreign policy and actions? No obviously you don't. Your only response is to revert to whataboutery and the simpleton notion that whatever the norm is was bad.

    No clue. None whatsover, except a serious hardon for Obama. Hmmmmmmmm.

    America is waving its arse in the air with no clothes on and trumpettes like you are laughing at obama. Wow. how much more obvious can you be.
     
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