Meghan McCain: young Republicans won't stand for "anti-LGBTQ crap"

John McCain's daughter is making some interesting points about the future of the GOP:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018...ent-going-stand-evangelicals-anti-lgbtq-crap/

What do you guys make of this? Will the Republican party of 20 years from now have very different views on LGBTQ issues? Will figures like Blaire White become more widely accepted among conservatives?

 

it means that the republicans are going to pretend they don't hate us in 20 years, similarly to how the democrats pretend to champion us already. it doesn't mean jack **** in terms of actual policy. republicans still gonna homophobe, democrats still going to homophobe marginally less hard

 

It will mean that the GOP & particularly its more activist elements will have to do some rebalancing of the message. Unless there is some dramatic change overt prejudice against gender diverse communities is going to continue to decline in Western nations for the forseeable future. The reason is pretty simple - now that homosexuals no longer have to hide who they are pretty much everyone has discovered that they have gay people in their family, friendship groups or workplaces. The family thing is particularly powerful because it compels people to face the issue in ways that are much less common with race.

For most people under 30 (and a lot over it) homosexuality is normal and homosexuals are just like everyone else. The hold outs can scream about 'degeneracy' and 'left wing brain washing' all they want, but they will be doing it in ever shrinking circles. Political parties who have used this issue as a rallying point will either have to stay as niche parties or change the message.

 

She's McCain's daughter working for ABC. All she will ever do is rant against Republicans and President Trump.

I dunno, do you think in 200 years the Democratic Party will finally stop being the party of racial and social segregation and division?

 

As Paul Begala whimsically stated, based on the average age of the Fox viewer, Fox News is God's waiting room.

This is not an issue for young people. This is mostly an issue for old people.

 

What's more, young women are coming out of the closet in a big way. A significant percentage of young women like women AND men. Some studies show that about 25% of college women admit to having at least one homosexual experience. But those go back a few years and I would bet the numbers across the board are higher than that.

The woman I see now makes almost no distinction. She likes men and women equally, which has been fun. We met when she and my last girlfriend and I had a threesome. [She is 21 and my last GF [sugar baby] was 26]

PS. I dated a professional ballet dancer. The world of ballet is one huge sexually fluid orgy. LOL! She had her first threesome [FFM] at ballet camp.

 

Our threesome was my last GFs first bisexual experience. She had never been with another woman but wanted to be in the worst way. She never had the nerve to approach another woman. So for her birthday I went out and found a beautiful young woman who was intrigued with the opportunity to join us - the woman I see now. We had an incredible night. It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. It was one of those times when everything went perfectly. It was magic.

The next morning, my last GF made me laugh. She announced "I think I'm about 25% lesbian". LOL! I told another former GF about this over coffee one day. She laughed, looked me in the eye and said, "We all are!".

We too had a threesome or two...

PS. the threesome had nothing to do with my last GF and I breaking up. But when we did, the other woman was more than glad to go out. We've been seeing each other for over four months now and is going wonderfully! But she wants a threesome for HER birthday now!

 

No doubt. Homosexuals will always be on the margins of society. How can it be otherwise? Men get together and complain about women. Women sit around and complain about men. Homosexuals are left out of these discussions. Songs are written from a heterosexual perspective. Books are written from a heterosexual perspective. Films are made from a heterosexual perspective. All because that is what the public wants. Even homosexuals write for the heterosexual perspective if they want to make a living.

 

I agree to an extent. But on the other hand, as the LGBTQ agenda gets more aggressive, more folks of all ages will reject it.

 

i like how from your perspective the entire world is basically just a rowdy tavern in the mid 80s

 

Most gender diverse people have most of what they want or are close to getting it. The big battles have been won. There are still some issues left. It being legal to torture gender diverse children is one of them. Cleaning up the last vestiges of legal discrimination is another. In 10 years there won't be much left to fight for. A few hard core activists will maintain the rage, as is the case with a lot of campaigns, issues & ideologies. They will have minimal support from the gay community & its supporters and will will loom much larger in the imagination of conservatives than they do in mind of most voters.

 

What a spectacularly limited view of the human experience. People can only ever have these points of commonality & difference? is this the world you live in, because it doesn't remotely resemble mine.

The idea that the 'perspective' of a piece of music or literature must be overtly related to sexuality & thus must necessarily exclude others is bizarre. A love song doesn't necessarily have an overt perspective, and there are an awful lot of other topics songs get written about. Writers of all sorts adopt a wide variety of perspectives. Film makers tell stories. All sorts of stories.

I regularly attend live music shows. Jazz, rock, hip hop. African. I've seen shows with gay performers & with gay people in the audience. Music has its own language and plenty of room for everyone.

I regularly go to football games (Australian Rules of course) and stand with the same group of people shouting encouragement, shouting abuse and singing songs. One of those guys is gay. He enjoys football just like everyone else.

Everyone has points of commonality & difference with the people around them. Take away the legal & social sanctions against homosexuality & they are no more 'on the margins' than anyone else.

 

Is it really?

I spent my formative years in Telegraph Ave. coffee houses in the '70's

 

Didn't work that way with Civil Rights. Black people got all the laws they can think of, but they're still bitching and moaning.

 

Wow. You must still watch black and white TV, and have yet to purchase your first VCR.

 

Actually I am watching "Black Mirror" on my laptop. In color.

 

Not comparable situations for a variety of reasons, some of which I have already mentioned. I'm sure you can work out the rest.

What is guaranteed is that every fringe gay activist will be amplified into something much greater by those who never really accepted that homosexuals should be equal in the first place. Then they will scream 'see, see, we told you they would never be happy'.

 

We have made monumental strides and even in the GOP, the dinosaurs are watching a distant asteroid in the night sky... We still have to ask whether it is worth fighting for more civil rights coverage at the state level, when it already exists in those states which are already accepting but will represent a major war in the southern states which most need the civil rights inclusion. Maybe we just wait the bigots out

 

It is only been in the past couple of decades that Christianity became synonymous with the conservative party.

Groups like The Family research Council are simply cultural marxists masquerading as conservatives.

Barry Goldwater was presidential hopeful back in 1964 at the time he was a Republican. He was very conservative he opposed the New Deal he opposed some parts of the Civil Rights Act because it gave the federal government too much power.

It was his quote on religion.

--"[Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."--

This anti-gay thing is strictly religious. Disentangled from the conservative party. Religion by its very definition cannot be conservative in this sense we use the term.

 

It's like a creeping thing.

Not that long ago homosexuals and transgender people needed to community it was the only alternative. They were shunned by family and friends so they formed the community of the ostracized. The more normal and accepted homosexuals become the less they need things like LBGT. They are becoming part of the general community.

And because this was such an integral part of life is a lesbian or a gay man or even a transgender they feel that they're losing this. To some extent they are. I personally have never been to a pride parade I had straight friends that wanted me to go with them. So I went and all it was was a bunch of floats sponsored by companies it was a big 3 hour advertisement. I didn't understand. Until later it dawned on me. Everyone wanted to be part of it and tell gay people hey our company is open to you we support you this and that.

There were numerous churches and synagogues that had Representatives marching in the parade.

Even the protesters were mild-mannered.

So what I think the LGBT is trying to do is remain relevant and convince all the gays lesbians bisexuals and transgenders that they need the LGBT.

 

The last time I saw polling the majority of Republican under 30 supported gay marriage and that was probably more than 10 years ago now. At this point those people are coming into positions of power in the GOP and within a decade or so when the dinosaurs die out.......again.....gay marriage won't even be on the GOP plank.

 

My generation considers gay relationships a normal thing that people just have sometimes. It's pretty weird for someone under 30 to make a fuss over sexual orientation.

 

In your circle of friends, anyway. There are a lot of people you haven't met.

 

I think I understand what 20somethings are like these days more than you do

 

I am sure you do think so!

It is the typical arrogance of youth. Been there done that.