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Reform SS and make it better learn the difference.

 

many on the right want to kill SS altogether

 

Bush almost doubled the national debt, what are you talking about

the debt started rising 1 trillion a year under Bush and has continued to this day even under Trump, Trump is setting new record highs every year

 

No he and the Republicans didn't come close to doing so, the debt started rising $1 trillion a year after the Democrats took back the Congress and started passing their budgets. You seem to be confused that Presidents control the budgets. The last Republican budget was for FY2007 and the deficit with that budget including the supplemental funding for the war was $161B.

 

Not without a replacement and there are very few that want to kill it altogether. What do you have against making it better?

And let me guess I bet you believe the lies the Democrats are saying that Trump wants to take away everyone's health care.

 

you and I both know things do not change that fast, the changes took place before dems took back congress - and Bush still had the final say on anything - it happened on Bush's watch

the fact you can not list anything dems added to the budget to increase the debt 1 trillion a year shows this to be true

the fact is, the Bush tax cuts for the rich and the two 10+ year wars are what set us on this trend

 

nothing, raise the caps on the rich, that would make it better

90% of American pay the SS tax for every dollar they earn, raise the caps to 250k

 

It would be a wash with the increase in benefits and certainly wouldn't save it besides you are already going to raise taxes on the rich to pay for free college, free healthcare, free housing, college debt retirement and on and on.

And they get benefits accordingly. It's a defined benefit program.

 

You may not know the history but I do. Bush had to negotiate in 2008 where the Democrats wanted even MORE spending than he would sign. In 2009 with that $1,400B deficit he was cut out completely. Stop trying to blame him for a budget he didn't even sign and that you and your fellow Democrats supported. The fact is the tax rate cuts produced record tax revenues and record tax revenue increases.

 

you still can't list the things dems added to the bill can you? the fact is republicans increased the spending, not dems

if we are not willing to find what actually changed, how can we change it back

 

don't have to raise the benefits on the top 10%, if you want to really save social security that is - we can also have a cap on benifits

trust me, the top 10% will be fine with their benefits being caped at current levels, they wont be hurting - meanwhile the bottom 90% benefit greatly - the elderly and disabled will be secured for many many years to come

 

Imagine

Michael Moore and Rob Reiner
in a wrestling match up. Maybe Sumo style.

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It's a defined benefit program, a retirement pension, the more you pay in the higher your benefit. Or do you just have no problem ripping off some people so you can have your retirement pension?

 

I have no obligation to give you a detailed breakdown the results speak for themselves as do their actions at the time. It was the 2008 10% spending increase and 2009 20% spending increase that sent the deficits soaring and both were Democrat budgets. Refute it.

The recorded history

"In FY2009, Congress did not complete work by September 30, 2008. President Bush did sign some appropriations bills and a continuing resolution to keep the government running into President Obama’s first term, yet a Democrat controlled Congress purposely held off on the big spending portions of the appropriations bills until Obama took office. They did so for the purposes of jacking up spending. President Obama signed the final FY2009 spending bills on March 11, 2009.

The Democrats purposely held off on the appropriations process because they hoped they could come into 2009 with a new Democrat-friendly Congress and a President who would sign bloated spending bills. Remember, President Obama was in the Senate when these bills were crafted and he was part of this process to craft bloated spending bills. CQ reported that “in delaying the nine remaining bills until 2009, Democrats gambled that they would come out of the November 2008 elections with bigger majorities in both chambers and a Democrat in the White House who would support more funding for domestic programs.” And they did.
The Truth about President Obama's Skyrocketing Spending


"Unlike last year, when Bush forced Democrats to accept lower spending figures, this year could prove more difficult for the president. The fiscal year begins Oct. 1, less than four months before he leaves office.

"He doesn't have us over a barrel this year, because either a President Clinton or a President Obama will have to deal with us next year," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "We are not going to be held hostage to the unreasonableness of this president."

Much of the president's plan has little chance of passage, lawmakers and budget experts say. Nearly $200 billion in Medicare and Medicaid savings need congressional approval, which Democrats are unlikely to provide. "Dead on arrival," vowed Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-02-03-bush-budget_N.htm

 

so you don't really want to save social security, this is an easy way, you do make more you put in, but we can cap it just like we can raise the age

republicans want people to work until they are older, I want the rich to have a higher cap

 

Save it by reforming it. You aren't going to save it by raising the cap and screwing a few thousand people.

 

by giving the 90% less you mean.. I want to let the 100% keep what they get now, but raise the cap on the 10%

when republicans raised the age, now many of the 90% did they screw?

 

yep, and there big spending bills in 2009 did not change the 1 trillion a year gain in debt that started under Bush

the trillion a year kept happening as the war was still on going and the bush tax cuts for the rich continued on

 

Honestly, at this point we need a constitutional amendment saying that the spouse of a two term president can't then become president themselves. It's just a way of cheating the 22nd amendment, having the same married couple in the White House for 16 years.

 

The worst Bush/Republican deficit was a one year $400B peak and then it rapidly fell. Rrad the cite history I posted. The Democrats were celebrating he could not hold them back anymore in their plans for their HUGE spending increases. They never came close to his worst deficit. The war was ending.

 

It was a bipartisan raise in the age and no one collecting at the time or would be in the near future were affected. Again if youvraise how much someone has to contribute then you have a moral obligation to increase their benefit.

 

and hopefully raising the caps woudl be bipartisan as well

nope, we can also set a cap on the max benefits received, the benefit will still raise, just not by as much if your mega rich

the top 10% will be ok, you don't have to worry about them, if we don't do it though, the bottom 90% will suffer

 

Coolio. No indeed, Big Mike is Barry's 'wife'. The bloke with the bouncy pocket phone and man face.

 

1.4 Trillion to be precise

 

It would not make a dent and you have already earmarked those additional taxes for other things. There is already a cap of max benefits, didn't you know that. The highest contributors already lose money in the SS system while those at the bottom get a return especially since some pay very little if any into the system after the EITC. It's not about me worrying about them or your belief that you are the arbiter of what is OK as long as you get someone else's money. It's those at the bottom that need to be earning more, rising wages as we have now, and working full time, as we have now instead of people on food stamps and and other subsistence and then getting higher returns on SS funds and especially allowing private accounts that can be invested for a bigger return. And of course a total reform of disability insurance and disability claims and weeding out the fraud.