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Michigan Secretary of State say armed protesters gathered outside her home

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  1. Vailhundt

    Vailhundt Banned

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    Yes, and it makes you guys look pretty silly. And then you compounded that with a very inappropriate comparison..and then patted yourself on the back for it. Very odd behavior.
     
    Vailhundt, Dec 7, 2020
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  2. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "D" in PTSD puts it in the illness category. In my father in laws case, he had anxiety and couldn't sleep due to images of his friends blown to pieces replaying in his head. If a helicopter flew by, his heart rate sped up. He was never violent.

    Taking someones second amendment rights away should never be taken lightly.
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Dec 7, 2020
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did nothing of the sort. I gave one example of the loss of constitutional rights. You have been arguing with yourself since.

    Who are "you guys"?

    Would you like to discuss what I said?
    Do you support the loss of these rights? and why?
     
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  4. Vailhundt

    Vailhundt Banned

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    "You guys" who collect guns (apparently hoping to grow 50 extra arms in the event the gubmint comes for your sizeable assets and children, heh heh) under the auspices of protecting yourself from government. It's pretty hilarious to me.
     
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  5. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    I still react to choppers going by especially overhead and during the summer but that is a trigger that links my last ride in a gunship to a field hospital but I do not view that as a mental illness. I still do not like viewing body bags and would not buy even black garbage bags or leaf bags for a while but that is not a mental illness. Lucky they had green or brown ones back then. Must of us Vets reacted to any sound that was like a mortar tube going off so are you accusing us of being mentally ill?

    Edit PS When I say react I mean become aware Yes for a few years after I came home I would automatically turn to look in the direction of what sounded like a rifle shot. But that was a reaction not mental illness your father in law must have done something similar but that does not mean he is crazy. Just a combat vet.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So "you guys" is a fictional character you created? If you care to discuss the issue with people that actually exist, please join us.

    Do you support the loss of these rights?
    Why?
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Dec 7, 2020
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  7. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not accusing you of being mentally ill. Those that are use it as an excuse to take away your second amendment rights. I strongly oppose those efforts.
     
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    You and I both know plenty of those people exist. Your comments made it seem like you are one. If you're not, then you're not. So then you have nothing to complain about.
     
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    Nice dodge. I am certain that the number of people who hope to grow several arms is very few. Back to my question:

    Do you support the loss of these rights?
    Why?
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Dec 7, 2020
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    I get what mean. Thanks for update. Hope your father in law takes advantage of the VA PTSD programs. Until this COVID crap FUBARed everything Ki volunteered at the local VA. We did a pretty good job if I say so myself.
     
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  11. Vailhundt

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    What a bizarre response. I did not imply anyome grew extra arms. You are very strange.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    here u go.

    Now back to the question you have been dodging.

    Do you support the loss of these rights?
    Why?
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Dec 7, 2020
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    Well that sure cleared things up! :roll:
    I do have my own opinion on actions politicians do/are doing that contribute to diminishing freedoms, but I'm asking this question because I'm interested in what others' thoughts on it are. Why? Because productive communication is aided by understanding where the other person is coming from.

    Figuring out the specifics behind why other people think and believe the things they do is basically a necessity if you want conversations to lead to anything useful. And in order to achieve that, one typically shouldn't make assumptions about what others believe and or why. You might presume that everyone paying attention is aware of the same facts that you are, and you might have a good idea about why some may be disputing them, and your assumptions about most people could even be 100% on the money. But if you go into discussion with the mindset that everyone has (or should have) the exact same view of facts that you do, then you'll miss opportunities to do things like change minds or even opportunities to grow your own understanding.

    And I for one hate to miss opportunities. In fact... a while back I had this coupon for Panda Express, and the day I said to myself... "hey, I kinda want some Panda Express today", I went and grabbed the coupon, but when I looked at it, IT WAS EXPIRED!!! ... that was a very painful experience... Never again.

    Thanks Doofenshmirtz for the serious answer. Much appreciated. :smile:
    And I would say that that's a pretty fair point. I'm not too familiar with all the details of CA gun laws, but at a glance they do seem a lot more restrictive than in many other places.

    So, followup question... when it comes to things like CA gun laws, how do/how should they factor into things such as what the thread OP describes? i.e. Armed protestors chanting outside a public official's house and allegedly making verbal threats? Does one justify the other? Does fixing one solve the other? And if not... then is there some unifying factor between them (and perhaps all other acts of eroding liberty) that if addressed could lead to a resolution of the issues?

    -Meta
     
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    Wait... you thought I was seriously implying they would grow extra arms? You are on strange person.

    Do I support restricting the right to own and carry any firearm at any time, anywhere? Yep. And doing so is perfectly Constitutional.
     
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  16. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes there is

    https://m.facebook.com/CBSEveningNews/posts/10159326959249073
     
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    They are allowed to protest and make their voices heard, and they are allowed to be armed.

    Way to go Patriots!
     
    Moolk, Dec 7, 2020
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    A point that was debunked long ago haha.
     
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    Protesting is pointless. Cops still getting their paychecks despite all the promises to defund them should have told them that.
     
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    .... and so it's Bernie Sander's fault by your logic that Congressman Scalise was shot on a softball field. Brilliance.

    But, let's review, the "Trump's Fault" guys shot no one.
     
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    I am 100% against protests of any sorts at people's private residences.
     
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    And this show of force... unnecessary. We get it. You no likey. March, chant, do your thing. Let's stop bringing guns to the protests, though, k?
     
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    Nobody's rights have been taken away. State and local governments have broad authority to regulate the use of firearms. This isn't new. If the good people of Los Angeles want less regulation they will vote for representatives who will do so.
     
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    You are wrong. It is trump lying about election fraud that motivates them.
    The blame for this is entirely on trump’s shoulders. He is inciting violence.
     
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    He absolutely is. He is signaling his "stand by" army that the election was illegally stolen by radical far left international forces and the Deep State. All of his legal avenues have failed spectacularly. He is now speaking directly to the cult. And all to raise retirement funds. Suckers.
     
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