'Million' march may topple Israel's fascist leadership.

all americans live under the divide of state and religion.

I dont speak for all americans, i am representing the principles of being an american. (secular administration; democracy)

 

i thought bees come to honey versus vinigar

 

because we dont want a fundamental state?

You may not agree to the definition of being jewish and thats your opinion,
Jews claim their right and other may oppose but guess what, we already have a state and we have no problem defending it so dont try to patronize me as if your statment carries some weight aside from your gang....

 

but judaism is the fundemental theology of the abrahamic sects. And since israel is a religious state it is a fundemental state by default.

The problem with your opinion is it shares you have no concept of what your leadership and the pursuit of that theocracy has done and is doing to the world.

ie..... ww3 will begin over that place (fight over 'the hill' (tel megiddo; just as prophecied))

and that messiah your belief spoke of, hates israel for creating children like you.

 

You have grabbed a territory you are holding by terror paid for by the Americans, and when they stop paying you'll be off, leaving the decent people of all communities to create a non-racist state there. I don't give a hoot for your opinion, obviously, but I wasn't meaning to patronise you - it's not a thing I do. If necessary I'd shoot you, but that happens when there are political disagreements, and need imply no disrespect. On the whole you sound less like a paid apparachik than most zionist posters, fair play.

 

I wont cry if it will, if the current voilence contiues they might get more power but the same citizens will stand from same opposite sides - Isareli and Pal and we still need to make peace, only it gets harder

You mean palestine?, thats just terminology, i dont think anyone can argue that this land once belonged to jews (i dont think Gaza ever was however) you can argue if jews have a right to return or even if we are jews but zion or palestine refer to same country

That's because you view jews as a religon, jew are an ethnic group, a nation that inveted a religon (or discovered...) they have much more in common that same god, i wont go into it because i dont think you'll agree anyway, just that youll know that a religous state for an israeli is like what you have in Iran, the jewish majority agenda in an ethnic/nation effort for us rather than religous

I gave that as an example, if the state "offended" the bible then its clearly not religous

Both leaderships act as bullies

 

America interst in us came after a long while we've been alone, when they were intersted they sent weapons just like soviet union sent the arab nations so i dont feel bad about the support we got, they still outnumbered us 1:100 at least,

the only way ill agree (my opinion i know) to a non jewish state is when everyone collapse their borders and decide on world union, until then the world has proved again and again they dont want jews in their countries and when jews move away we are no longer jews and have no right to live away,

 

Have you ever read the following?

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...-and-the-lord-jewish-fundamentalism-in-israel


For The Land And The Lord: Jewish Fundamentalism In Israel

Ian S. Lustick
Reviewed by By John C. Campbell
Fall 1988

Lustick's analysis of Jewish fundamentalism, spearheaded in action by Gush Emunim and the militant settlers in the occupied territories, shows how much Israel's political scene has changed since 1967. He explains how this movement, with deep roots in Jewish history and messianic insistence on redemption of all of "Eretz Israel," has created what may be insuperable obstacles to a negotiated settlement with the Arabs and a stable democratic future for Israel. The prospect has serious implications for American policy, although American policy may not be able to do much about it.

 

Israel opened the door to Communism in Egypt... because of the Lavon Affair, the Aswan Dam and the Suez Crisis... Elsewhere the Arabs didn't succumb to Communist influence.

 

We dont agree about what is means to be a jewish so no point arguing, you dont accept the nation and i regard the religion as only part of being jewish, sure it carries weight but there is more.

what's wrong with children like me?

 

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...lism-in-israel


For The Land And The Lord: Jewish Fundamentalism In Israel

 

Sure, The Arabs have never been responsible for their doings.
They are so lucky that Israel exists they can blame it for everything.
It is time they grow up. The world is not a place for people with 4 years old mentality.

 

ofc these ppl live and die for their belives, but they are a minority, you hear alot about them because they make alot of mess but still a minority,

I only hope that Hamas and Jihad are of the same precentage of the settelers are in Israel and ill answer that - no way, Hamas and Jihad are way more dominant

 

why do brothers argue?

what are the differences?

How abut remove all the fences and allow palestine to be "pals a real"..?

and jews are from egypt............ ie.... moses was born, rasied and learned the whole lineage of mankind from the pharoahs house (if torah is at all correct about moses)

you've been corrupted with BS.

Judaism is a belief, not a people. You are of the human race and your ethnic background is your lineage, no matter what your beliefs (or theirs) were/are.

That ideology you have been led to believe is a lie. kind of like the concept of an exodus of moses, unless you can mirror it to archeology, then it would mean that moses could have been ahkenatan and amarna is the city of the initial temple (of the desert)

ie... the schism within egypt to monotheism

and in fact, it was ahkenatan that was in correspondance to canaan and the amarna tablets proves it

likewise, it is ahkenatan and his time period that shares the divide of egypt occurred which practically mirrors the story of moses (leaving the city)

and neither ever saw canaan (palestine/israel)

I am pointing at archeology combined with the literature of theology to make a foundation and the ONLY evidence you can present is either torah or tailmudd


ie..... bible is not history, it is opinion

and within the archeology of palestine/israel..... egyptian artifacts abound (fact)

then to get sticky.................. judaism, christianity, and islam are all from the same foundations......................


YOUR FOOLS ARE BROTHERS OF THE SAME fathers mothers of the region!

 

The Arabs didn't arrive in Europe with a political plan to expel the Jews and take their land..

The European refugees did exactly that. I would expect someone with such strong opinions to be well read and know the history of the region.


For the Land and the Lord: Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel

Ian S.Lustick

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/penncip/lustick/

Preface

1. Introduction

2. The Emergence of Jewish Fundamentalsim in Historical Perspective

3. The Evolution of Gush Emunim and Related Groups

4. The Worldview of Jewish Fundamentalism: The Breadth of Consensus

5. The Range of Disagreement Within Jewish Fundamentalism

6. Present Trends and Future Implications

 

Read it.. instead of claiming they are a "minority".. You have no idea what Professor Lustick is saying.

There was no Hamas until the 1980s nor Jihad either. The Jewish terror gangs were formed in the 1920s.

 

who had no problem killing Americans and British and trying to blame Egyptians for it either.

they can never be trusted

 

Some Israeli people have been protesting continuously for a while and I dont think Israel has fired on its own people yet.....yet the Israeli govt are the fascists?

 

What I don't understand is why the European immigrants to Palestine are not brave enough to really face a sober examination of the history and the choices they made.

 

You mean the Jewish immigrants?

Its really the Arabs that have made to poor choices if we're being honest here. Their failure to recognize this has nothing to do with bravery tho, its denial and an unrealistic goal of the ultimate erasure of Israel.

 

You wouldn't let a massive influx of armed immigrants force you off your land because of their ideology ...

 

Last I read, there are 4x as many Jews in America as there are in Israel. If Israel is so sacred, why do so many Jews NOT live in Israel? Why don't ALL Israelis just move here? We got lots of desert suitable for blooming.

 

This applies to a tiny minority of "Palestinians" Im afraid....

....and the land in general was mandated to someone else who allowed the Jews residence there post WWII.

If I was holed up on parcel of land that was really never decreed to be mine-Id be mad when the gig was up...but Id have to deal with it.

 

The Jews owned less than 6% of the land in 1948.

If they WANT all of Palestine, they should BUY it.

 

Same reasons so many others do....regardless poorness or prosperity of one's native nation....the US is still the land of opportunity...best and brightest and all that. Not to mention Israel is small nation with a relatively low population,so the statistics over time will accrue to the numbers you have sourced from somewhere,but are indeed irrelevant.

Add to the mix one can practice Judaism freely in the US ,that there are some zionists who arent orthodox and dont need to be tied to Jerusalem and still... plenty more self loathing Jews...then its easy to see why Jews might choose the US.

They also dont need to worry about missiles falling on their heads here generally speaking either.