Millions of Americans Are Embarrassingly Ill-Informed

Knowing what one is talking about, that eliminates yourself and the other in the case of civics and UI. But you will continue to babble and publican will continue to leave his pants down.

Human beings should consider with great care their sources for information. By refusing to present certain information, and by influencing people to dismiss certain information as unimportant or unnecessary to consider, many modern institutions seek to control human perceptions and therefore to limit what human beings may come to understand. My, oh my have they been so successful.

 

Yes, the theory of demand and supply assumes perfectly competitive markets for purely benchmark metrics purposes; analogous to a commodity for employment of resources purposes.

And, why I tend to resort to the fewest fallacies; unlike those of the opposing view who seem to prefer the "steam roller" approach, but at Cannae.

it is still why one should ask a teacher for explanation of what one does not understand.

 

Not really, we are at best running perpendicular and that is on the declining side. There are but two behavioral patterns amongst man, those that believe in slavery and those that don't. In this we are the exact opposites and one cannot believe half way. While we may say some of the same things, they have different purposes. Mine is to escape, yours to entrap.

Not so, anarchy and chaos are not related, but of opposite poles. Anarchy is not the lack of rules, that is chaos, but the lack of rulers. Within anarchy, the administration of public affairs are handled by "public servants, those that serve the public. They access fees much like the constitutional part of administration is handled today. Law is handled by malum in se, not malum prohibitum. With no rulers, there are no prohibitions, therefore only an act that is evil unto itself is addressed. Look at the Magna Carta, Articles 48 and 61.

There are no problems with anarchy, it is the natural state of things. It has been the fear related to chaos that has usurped that natural state. As was stated in the movie "V for Vendetta", "remind them why they need us". Well we don't need them. All men must stand on their honor and when they wont, they must stand before their peers.

And that is but fear speaking not the truth. There will always be animals amongst us that like a rabid done must be hunted down and destroyed.

Totally disagree with all of this. First, the quote from Ben is just what is says. Again your fallacy is a total misunderstanding of the subject at hand. You keep trying to insert something not there and insists that it is.

The Law of Freedom: Freedom and morally are directly proportional; as morality increases, freedom increases; as morality declines, freedom declines

Another way of saying this law would be to say that the presence of truth and morality in the lives of the people of any given society is inversely proportional to the presence of tyranny and slavery in that society. True freedom can never exist in a society that embraces "Moral Relativism", the idea that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so humanity may arbitrarily "create" or "decide" right and wrong for themselves. Some surveys state that 66% of the people believing in Moral Relativism.

If you do not know what would be malum in se, then there is no hope. Self-Loathing is the underlying psychological condition that causes people to attempt to abdicate their own personal responsibility to exercise conscience, and fall into patterns of order-following and justification. Just as it is not possible for an order-follower to truly be exercising conscience, it is not possible for an order-follower to truly love themselves.

Solipsism, from the Latin adjective solus: "alone" and the Latin pronoun ipse: "self". The ideology that only one's own mind is sure to exist. Solipsists contend that knowledge of anything outside of one's own mind is unsure, hence there is no such thing as objective truth, and nothing about the external world and it's workings can actually be known. A perception they are god, Solipsist are mentally ill.

The whole point of classical or otherwise either liberalism or conservatism is to instill the belief of statism, the concept of slavery. The difference between a liberal and a conservative is not the degree but the manner in which slavery is interpreted. But slavery is still slavery, regardless of how it is implemented.

And like myself, many of the founders were deist and they were all aware of the ten commandments being the basis of common law, long before the Magna Carta. And this "Golden Rule" you keep insinuating is one of the worse pieces of blabber philosophy that I have ever encountered.

The law of the land that all the founders understood was "trespass", the root of all evil, the encompassing of all that is vile. It is and always has been the basis of all law. The founders were aware of the many different legal systems that has transgressed this planet up to their period and they even encompassed more than one.

You have inferred many times that very same thing. You keep insisting on some sort of master, a ruler. You keep pressing for a fear of chaos when it is all around you, it is the very essence of what prevails today.

Again, you are but begging the question, not answering it. Philosophically, the "Golden Rule" is one of the biggest pieces of rubbish that was ever tried to be instilled upon man. Really, please stop and analyze the words, just more medieval superstition to support ecclesiastical law, the cruelest law ever invented by man. And you keep saying you are for freedom but only under the umbrella of slavery. It cannot be both ways.

And in general terms, no it doesn't, that is democracy, the rule of the mob. There is no social contract, that is another fear tactic to maintain slavery. I care less what another thinks about it, I do not consent.

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Don't think the Canadians are that dumb. Wouldn't be surprised to see him pop back up on CNN or if Rupert is in one of his moods, FOX.

 

Nothing to do with big government, Carlin disliked bureaucrats and politicians.

You really do need to get out more, just what do you think is going on all around you? Let's see, bills passed when red team controls house, so who did it, the bogeyman? Even worse bills passed and the red team has both houses, a real mystery there.

 

Really? And from what slant would that come from as it certainly has nothing to do with knowledge. Please show where Odumbocare has anything to do with "health"? But I know you possibly have a mouse in your pocket that can explain where is the care?

What is interesting is your insistence that there is something to do with bumper stickers when you have no clue about that which you are trying to imply.

Providing anything to one incapable of researching much less judging it's validity is less than pissing into the wind. At least in pissing into the wind that is that momentary feeling of warmth. But hang in there, I hear a new liberal talking points sheet is due out any day now.

 

No, you made the ridiculously dumb claim, so it incumbent on you to back it up with evidence.

You can back up what you say, can't you?

Nice deflection and projection. Just spewing the bumperstickers without a shred of substantiation.

I love the "incapable of researching" excuse since its rather obvious you are.

There is a category of "right wing Obama haters" that spew nothing but hatred and unsubstantiated nonsense while either deliberately not offering up any substantiation (iow trolling) or they lack the balls to actually stand behind their words with evidence, facts and figures, or they lack the intellectual horsepower to engage in anything other than bumpersticker regurgitation.

thankfully, my interactions with you to date have been limited, so I shall reserve judgement as to which category you fall into.

 

Most people aren't informed because 95% of what they see is negative, like just recently; Al Shabab shot up a school in Kenya killing 147, high profile Brits may have been running a pedo ring. For a lot of people it's more "fun" to watch something happier or funnier such as reality TV or those sitcoms.

I'm 17 and just by good chance happen to be super interested in current history and critical thinking with historical facts can be pretty thought provoking and expansive(except in math and science, that's where my discipline wanes).

 

Understand, and if I may add, not just the knowledge base but the experience base likewise. But I do love the use of the Oxford English, not heard much here.

Thank you very much for bringing that correction to my attention, wrong is wrong and how can one progress if one fails to stand corrected. I will file it away for future reference but no doubt could make similar errors again as this is a forum and not a literary work where time is available to proof read.

That all depends on where one stands and it would seem your world is focused on the top percentage of society, not on the average street level. Shill Romney during the election campaign of 2012 make an off-hand remark caught by camera something to the tune of: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what … who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. … These are people who pay no income tax. … and so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

I would daresay that Romney underestimated that prospect.

It wasn't a generalization, it was actual first hand knowledge based on almost four years as a resident and with a British ex-wife. It would seem the problem lies in your contemporaries, very different than the general population.

Not at all, my closing paragraph is just that, mine. It has been my experience that all around this magnificant planet, a vast portion of the populations are somewhat idiots, and a huge majority are ill informed. But what has been the most impressive are the plain people of the world. While they may be ill informed as to things beyond their sphere, they are undoubtedly the most intelligent.

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Seems the feds disagree with you, but then what are facts when one has opinions.

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Just another opinion and your track record is pretty dismal so unless you have something positive...

You answered nothing just made some claim about having civics that you can't seem to justify which seems to be your style.

 

Seems to be all yours, relating Odumbocare and healthcare. So I take that your disclaimer is an admission that you haven't a clue of what you say. Seems pretty self evident, didn't really need the disclaimer.

Did you ever see that documentary of the Odumbo administration negotiating Odumbocare and what a coward Odumbo was playing behind the scenes, afraid to be front and center, sort of like he is on other matters. If not, too bad, his proud achievement was mysteriously pulled and I take like other matters with his administration, destroyed, when the flack and lawsuits started.

When you learn to do research, it will become obvious in your posts but that will never happen. Hate is of the emotions and I will leave that to you. As to Odumbo, I have no respect for the man nor the office for which he stands. I have even less respect for those that believe he should be put on a pedistal, either personally nor the office he mistakenly occupies, fraudulently.

 

typical evasion. apparently you can't back up what you regurgitate.

and it appears as tho you are totally bigoted against Obama.

the cause of such bigotry would seem to be intransigent partisanship, lack of actual knowledge, and inability to provide any substance to the vitriolic nonsense posts you make.

I'm sure that was precisely the message you wished to communicate. well done.

 

I take your point, and I am aware that I am perhaps a smidge younger than most of the people here (but by no means all) and commensurately less knowledgeable and experienced. I am however, capable of some research and logical conclusion.

Thank you for a gracious acceptance of what was really a bit of a humorous dig.

In fact, the solecism of 'a young age' is so commonly heard as to make it verging upon acceptable usage.

While it might be flattering to some to imagine that, I fear that is not entirely the case. Granted I did attend Winchester College, and my dad was KCMG, but my family is not wealthy in any meaningful sense of the word, and we are depressingly middle-class in many ways. My interactions have largely been with a similarly middle-class demographic.

I'm not at all sure what you mean by 'street level'. If you mean bag-ladies, and alcoholics living under bridges, then your assumption is accurate, but I daresay 99% of the people posting here do not enjoy that level of acquaintance.

As for your experiences during your four years of residence, I expect that might depend upon where you lived, and the age demographic of those concerned.

Our home is in Kent, and I cannot think of any of our friends and neighbours who have not been, at the very least, to continental Europe. However, having said that, your view is borne out in at least one instance of my experience. I have a friend who lives in an industrial township in Yorkshire, and upon one visit to his home in Scun-thorpe (the profanity filter won't let me write the name properly) I had the privilege of meeting his grandfather. A wonderful old man who was a civil engineer for the local council - reasonably educated and read - but other than one organised tour to Florida, had never left the British Isles in his seventy-odd years. I think that peculiarity was perhaps connected with the era in which he grew up (he was born during WW2,) as none of my contemporaries have not travelled at all (even if only in their gap year).

Again, I will not attempt to gainsay your obviously more extensive experience, but suffice to say that has not been the impression I have gained. Again, I am not at all sure to whom you are referring when you refer to 'the plain people of the world', and can only assume you mean that mythological creature - the common man. In which case we are in accord.

While it is sometimes necessary for practical reasons, I tend not to like categorisation - particularly at the social level. Having lived in the UK, I am sure you will understand why I have some reservations about the fairly obvious class distinctions extant there. In fact, the very friend from Yorkshire of whom I spoke, initially dismissed me as a potential snob because I have a Public School accent. We laugh about that now, but the class system is one of the less attractive aspects of the society into which I was born. Mind you, class distinction is extant in every society, including your fair land, but only the British seem to make it into an art form.

 

Just because American's don't vote for socialist policies does not necessarily mean they are ignorant. To a European voting against socialist policies certainly appears ignorant, but Americans choose capitalism and freedom because its something they want.

This extends to foreign policy which foreigners often criticize American's for their apparent 'ignorance', but again if invading nations makes us richer why would it be ignorant for us not to support the corporations who pay for government policies that send us to war?

 

LOL, and there M'Lud, rests the case for the prosecution!

 

I don't really need to do anything, I know exactly what Carlin was referring too, government minions.
A damn 5th grader could figure that out.

 

My track record is great, thanks for asking though.

I take it you didn't have the energy to go back and reread my posts on civics. Pity.

 

Your track record is dismal. You simply keep repeating yourself or trying new dodges until everyone else gets tired of your act.

 

I think the paperboy just threw the NY Slimes in your front yard. Go chew on someone else's leg lefty. If you're tired of me, don't post to me and keep your flame bait to yourself.. Sound good?

 

Yes, millions on the right are misinformed by resorting to fallacy while proclaiming they are for the gospel Truth in public venues.

 

It's the foundation on which Fox Noise rests!

 

Here is an article in relation to the basic differences between the US and Japanese education systems: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/arun.356/structural_differences

And here, for example, is the extremely high standard of German apprenticeship schemes: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4f43...44feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz3WYPyOale

 

All of the above, is in reference to societies that have obvious issues with information overload due to access to the internet, for over two decades, through multiple devices.

My example was of the use of smart phones to bring the internet to undeveloped regions of the world, who's population's have never benefited from being able to access any information, both helpful and harmful, on the internet. It is the equivalent of the benefit to the US's West of the arrival of the rail roads and telegram. The negative effects outweighed the benefits to progress and society in general.

 

I used to love Jay Walking. I never thought those people represented the majority. Maybe I was wrong?