Misgendering

No, I did not miss you point but what I had a problem with was this erroneous allegation of yours;

I was directly countering his argument and your allegation above was incorrect.

Yes, we agree that that morality and laws are not the same thing and I will take it a step further and point out that all attempts to legislate morality have been abysmal failures in the past and will continue to be in the future.

 

Here's what's throwing me. You state that attempts to legislate morality fail, yet you are using changes in the law as evidence that morality has changed. Do you see where that seems inconsistent? This is why I note that changes in the law are not direct indications that morality has changed.

I don't know about that. Not all morals are strictly isolated to any given religion. I would say that our legislative attempts at the morals against murder, theft and purgery (false witness) have gone rather well.

 

Despite the plethora of grammical errors in your post (try proofreading!), I'm getting the sense that you don't understand the word tolerance.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerance

To put it simply, live and let live. Why get your boxers in a bunch over people who do not affect your life? Leave the be, let them be who they are, how does that hurt you? I just don't understand the hatred.

 

Ok great.

Please refer to me as Your Majesty from now on.

 

Why not just ask if you aren't sure?

 

The other option is to not say any pronoun. For example, when dealing with a cashier who hands me change I say "thank you". If someone holds the door open for me I say "thank you". If I'm trying to get the attention of someone working the counter of some establishment I'll say, "excuse me".

 

Interesting question really, how can I say "damn others feeling on it and accommodate at the same time. I think it comes down to respect. I can disagree with some one and yet still respect their point of view and treat them in the same way I wanted to be treated. Coming at them with scorn, derision, or even violence both physical and or mental is anathema to me. Frankly I do not understand why they believe as they do, but I can see the pain it causes them when people purposely try to change them or ridicule them. Causing them that pain is wrong and counter to my Christian and human centric beliefs. My hope is that I can also convince others that freedom should include respect for your fellow citizens.

 

It's a discussion. If you don't want to discuss something then don't discuss it. Me having an opinion about something is not hatred.

Thanks for the emotional rant though they're always rather funny.

 

No one outside of our own pack should be expected to support our notions of ourselves. To expect it, or worse, be angered when it doesn't happen .. is pure narcissism. AS DISCUSSED, but ignored.

 

You aren't being serious so I am not.

 

Right .. you don't know anything about legal precedent. As expected.

 

So again I’ll ask. What specific legal precedent are you referring to?

 

1) of course it takes zero effort to 'want' something. no idea what you mean, here.

2) if I'm never going to see them again, I will under no circumstances ever 'correct' them. that would be incredibly rude. if I'm seeing them regularly, then obviously they're someone close to me in some way and will absorb the information or not, as they see fit. being called the 'wrong' name isn't painful to me in any way, and is in any case more or less a version of my actual name (different spelling and pronunciation, different number of syllables, etc).

3) Civility is NOT telling people how to think of you. Civility is having sufficient respect for others to allow them to think of you however they see fit to do so. Making it about all about you is the height of incivility, and the reason social harmony breaks down.

and that's just the general social interactions. enabling someone's delusions is a whole other problem.

 

We agree in some areas. Specifically, respect for your fellow citizens .. though I suspect we differ on how that is best manifest in this situation. For me, it's in 'make no demands', and accept errors with good grace.

This is, after all, about 'mistakes' .. not the deliberate avoidance of some identifier for malicious reasons. Having said that, I would even allow for it when it may be malicious. The key, always, is not making it about the self.

 

When SELF-identification is passed into law, the precedent is set for all forms of self-identification - not just the single iteration initially ratified. It's legally not possible to allow for one, and not another. It will be challenged wholesale, immediately. If you don't understand why .. you understand far too little of our exploitative nature.

 

Ah...so there IS no actual precedent. Got it.

 

Why? I'm not interested in the inner workings of random strangers, as they're not interested in mine. And I don't NEED to address them by title or anything personal, in random interactions. It's not the 19thC.

 

The legalisation of SELF IDENTIFICATION (I identify as a woman, even though I'm a man) is the precedent. That is most assuredly already happening/has happened. The rest will follow, once we understand how gloriously it can be exploited. That you think it won't is both funny, and painfully naive.

 

Not in regards to law there isn’t. Anything else is just hysteria on your part.

 

"Let them be" is exactly what we're trying to do. As they always say, it's no one else's business!

 

If a person at the store called me the wrong name, it wouldn't be wrong of me to correct him, and in many cases I do. Its perfectly ok to correct people if they get your name or gender wrong as long as you do so politely. Most people do not mind at all being corrected and totally get why you did it. In fact, sometimes you do meet the same person again, and you are actually doing him a disservice by letting him get your name/pronoun wrong and not even having the guts to politely point it out. You need to be assertive and stand up for yourself.

Correcting people on your name/pronoun is not telling them how to think. They can continue to think how they like and think of you how they like. You are simply informing them how you prefer to be addressed. This is part of standing up for yourself and being assertive. If they are offended that you asked to be addressed the way you want, then the problem is with them, not you. Normal people aren't upset with calling people what they want to be called.

 

Sure it is. It'll never turn and bite you. All will be rosy.

 

It has NOTHING to do with what you call assertiveness (but is in fact, simply rudeness). It's about not making your interactions with others about you.

 

What is it that you think is going to “turn and bite me” specifically? I assure you there is nothing that will ever affect me personally when it comes to anything related to what transgenders want to be referred to. I will continue to live my life unaffected by all this.

 

That's the problem. You actually think this won't go past 'I'm a girl, even though I'm a boy'.

It's either profound naivety, or some kind of ideological blinders compelling you to champion something no matter the potential consequences.