What makes you think that a rational debate can be had with a bunch of religious fanatics who wish to impose their views on society? What is rational about a purposely vague amendment that has only one purpose, a challenge of Roe in the Supreme Court? What can possibly be rational about such dishonest approach?
Hello Hat, it's been awhile! I think Prop-26 will pass, but not by much. There is expected to be a heavy Republican (white) turnout today to elect a Republican governor, while the Democratic (black) voters stay at home. I'll be glad when it's over - constant television advertising from both sides. For some reason my wife didn't put our phone on the "Do Not Call" list, and we've been bombarded with pre-recorded telephone calls from both sides as well! But it hasn't been rational... remember, this is Mississippi! People from both sides have been arrested for destroying signs belonging to the opposing side, a couple of minor disturbances at pro-choice and pro-life rallys that resulted in some arrests for disturbing the peace - inflammatory politics at it's best (or worst, depending)!
I was responding to her attempt at demonizing pro lifers by saying they just want to control women, which is a blatant lie.
Then why pass laws designed to control women instead reducing the abortion rate? http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2011/06/27/do-they-really-believe-abortion-is-murder/
9:02pm - 31% of precincts reporting -- Yes - 66,878 - 40% No - 99,264 - 60% 9:15pm - 37% of precincts reporting -- Yes - 83,447 - 41% No - 120,041 - 59%
I wonder what excuse will the morality coercers give for this failure. I recall excuses that the issue was never put to a vote. Not to mention the stupidity of fetal personhood because fetal homicide laws. If fetuses were persons such propositions would not be necessary and most importantly people do not wish to consider fetuses persons as the results show. BRAVO for the people of Mississippi.
10:28PM - 78% of precincts reporting -- No - 338,159 - 57% Yes - 250,434 - 43% I think they're about to declare that Prop-26 has been defeated.
11:03PM - 85% of precincts reporting -- No - 399,087 - 58% Yes - 285,089 - 42% It's just like Freddy Krueger - we haven't seen the last of this...
I'd imagine that while lifers are opposed to abortion, most of them have no problem with birth control if it prevents abortions.
That's exactly why I say that this idea is like Freddy Krueger - it will return. In Colorado in 2008, Amendment 48 failed by a 73% - 27% margin. In 2010, the proposal was reworded, and placed on the ballot as Amendment 62, which failed by a 70.5% - 29.5% margin. If they made a few changes to the proposed amendment - clarify the birth-control issue, and allow abortion in cases of rape and/or incest, I think it would pass. In my lowly opinion - Personhood USA is going to keep trying, keep trying, and keep trying - hammering on the rock until one day it finally cracks, much like the cigarette liability legal cases.
Not likely. If a fetus is declared a person then no exception can be made. That would translate into legal killing as long as there was a good enough excuse for it. The law can not make that exception. They will probably keep trying but after a while it will loose traction. This strategy, fortunately, is too convoluted and poorly conceived to be an effective attack on Roe.
I agree. Back to the bread dough analogy I used earlier... they're trying to define bread as a mixture of flour and water - and that just isn't the case. If they can figure out a way to define bread as a mixture of flour and water, and include the oven somewhere in the process - then I think that changes the proposal enough to allow birth control. Then just include a sentence about allowing abortion in case of ectopic pregnancy - losing the fetus to save the mother. Trust me... they'll be back. Bet on it.
It is control in general. People wanting to force their beliefs on others is control. Whats worse is that these folks have no valid arguments to back up their beliefs. Take your argument that "everyone knows a zygote is a human" Not only is this argument proven wrong by the Mississippi vote, but the fact that your are so out of material to substantiate your position that you have to resort to such gross logical fallacy shows the lengths you will go to in order to try and control others. How can you justify allowing the state to force your beliefs on others when you have no valid substantiation for your claim?
The abomination is folks who make silly claims that they can not back up and then try to make laws based on these claims. There is no living human in the early stages of pregnancy such that it can be killed.
