>>>MOD ALERT<<< It’s Too Cold To Protest Global Warming At Yale

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    can you read?



    oh look, you've posted more looney bunk, what a surprise
     
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    They can always come to the pacific NW for their examples of global warming. We've had a winter that feels more like spring.
     
  3. expatriate

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    people who cannot fathom the difference between climate and weather should be forbidden from intelligent conversations about the former.
     
  4. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They can't even tell me accurately what the weather will be like next week, I'm supposed to believe they can tell me what the climate will be like 25 years from now? :roflol:
     
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    All those elite students never cared about the rest of the world. What they can see is simply resume and salary and jobs. The reason why the join in the campaign is simply to have a better record of activity to show that they are 'socially responsible'. To be honest, who in the earth really do a little thing about the global warming?

    USA never joined in the Copenhagen Agreement. And those Yale students did not do anything at all.
     
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    you're are the poster child for exactly what I was saying. Weather is erratic and unpredictable.... climate, much less so.
     
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    So easily predicted that the models are way off.
     
  8. expatriate

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    who used the word "easily" besides you?
     
  9. dujac

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    Michael Mann tells it like it is

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    What I love about science and scientists like Michael Mann is the focus on reality. As a psychologist, I don&#8217;t want to waste time on fiction. I can&#8217;t help someone who lies to themselves and me about their issues and concerns. My interventions are successful when we address what we know to be true and what we can actually control.

    When it comes to human-caused global warming, conservatives live in a bubble where they create their own version of reality. As Dr. Mann so aptly stated, they don&#8217;t just deny the reality of our changing climate, they deny the basic physics taught in our high school and college classrooms. And the maddening part is they are completely comfortable doing so while they deny that they are denying. They love it inside their bubble because they can keep physical reality somewhere else.

    Remember global warming means hotter atmosphere over land and ocean and hotter oceans.

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    And hotter oceans means bigger storms and our hotter atmosphere means more moisture which increases precipitation volume associated with rain and snow storm events. Physics. Basic science.

    According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, &#8220;Hotter air around the globe causes more moisture to be held in the air than in prior seasons. When storms occur, this added moisture can fuel heavier precipitation in the form of more intense rain or snow.

    &#8220;The United States is already experiencing more intense rain and snowstorms. The amount of rain or snow falling in the heaviest one percent of storms has increased nationally over the last half century&#8212;with the largest increases in the Northeast, Great Plains, Midwest, and Southeast.

    &#8220;The 2014 U.S. National Climate Assessment shows some regions of the country have seen as much as a 71 percent increase in the amount of rain or snow falling in the heaviest storms between 1958 and 2012.&#8221;

    Also, because of human-caused global warming, we are disrupting the Arctic climate which means all that cold air can flow down the East Coast of the United States.

    &#8220;In the Arctic, frigid air is typically trapped in a tight loop known as the polar vortex. This super-chilled air is not only cold, it also tends to have low barometric pressure compared to the air outside the vortex. The surrounding high-pressure zones push in on the vortex from all sides so the cold air is essentially &#8216;fenced in&#8217; above the Arctic, where it belongs.

    &#8220;As the Arctic region warms faster than most other places, however, the Arctic sea ice melts more rapidly and for longer periods each year, and is unable to replenish itself in the briefer, warmer winter season. This can destabilize the polar vortex and raises the barometric pressure within it.

    &#8220;For several winter seasons (2009/2010, 2010/2011, and 2012/2013), the polar vortex was notably unstable. In addition, another measurement of barometric pressure&#8212;the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO)&#8212;was in negative mode, weakening part of the barometric pressure &#8220;fence&#8221; around the polar vortex. This instability allows the cold Artic air to break free and flow southward, where it collides with warmer, moisture-laden air. This collision can produce severe winter weather in some regions and leave milder conditions in other parts of the northern hemisphere.

    &#8220;During the 2011/2012 winter, there was a shift in the position of the jet stream, which separates cold arctic air from warmer air. Typically New England, the Great Lakes, and parts of the Great Plains sit north of the jet stream and remain cold in the winter season. However, the 2011/2012 winter jet stream position meant these regions were south of it for most of the winter, which helped produce the fourth warmest U.S. winter on record.&#8221;

    According to Skeptical Science, &#8220;To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation. Warming causes more moisture in the air which leads to more extreme precipitation events. This includes more heavy snowstorms in regions where snowfall conditions are favourable. Far from contradicting global warming, record snowfall is predicted by climate models and consistent with our expectation of more extreme precipitation events.

    &#8220;If global warming is still happening, why are some areas experiencing record snowfall events? As climate warms, evaporation from the ocean increases. This results in more water vapour in the air. Globally, atmospheric water vapour has increased by about 5% over the 20th century. Most of the increase has occurred since 1970 (IPCC AR4 3.4.2.1). This is confirmed by satellites that find the total atmospheric moisture content has been increasing since measurements began in 1988 (Santer 2007).

    &#8220;The extra moisture in the air is expected to produce more precipitation, including more extreme precipitation events. Observations bear this out. A study of precipitation trends over the United States found that heavy precipitation events (over 50mm in a day) have increased 20% over the 20th Century (Groisman 2004). Most of this increase occured after 1970. Various analyses of precipitation over the globe have similarly found a widespread increase in heavy precipitation days since 1950 (Alexander 2006, Groisman 2006).

    &#8220;Snowstorms can occur if temperatures are in the range of -10°C to 0°C. Global warming decreases the likeliness of snowstorm conditions in warmer, southern regions. However, in northern, colder regions, temperatures are often too cold for very heavy snow so warming can bring more favourable snowstorm conditions [Kunkel 2008]. This is borne out in observations. Over the last century, there has been a downward trend in snowstorms across the lower Midwest, South and West Coast. Conversely, there&#8217;s been an increase in snowstorms in the upper Midwest East, and Northeast with the overall national trend also upwards (Changnon 2006).

    &#8220;To claim that record snowfall is inconsistent with a warming world betrays a lack of understanding of the link between global warming and extreme precipitation. Global temperatures in the last few months of record snowfall are some of the hottest on record. Warming causes more moisture in the air which leads to more extreme precipitation events. This includes more heavy snowstorms in regions where snowfall conditions are favourable. Far from contradicting global warming, record snowfall is predicted by climate models and consistent with our expectation of more extreme precipitation events.&#8221;

    http://dcraig.blogs.redding.com/2015/02/michael-mann-tells-it-like-it-is/
     
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    And your science that discredits global warming can be found where? Buying carbon credits? :roflol: What a joke. You folks should be embarrassed.
     
  11. RedWolf

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    That's like saying I don't pay for police, infrastructure, or the military. Sorry, but it is my money and it goes towards it.
     
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    Physics is where it is happening. However, some of us will need to learn to spell and understand what it means first in order to have the capacity to have an intelligent conversation of how Physics makes the obvious case for global warming.

    Understanding global warming as it relates to excessive heat to rainfall and snow amounts is directly related to warming. By looking at the satellite images, the physical evidence is there.

    By ignoring these physical facts, and making the case for the wallet instead, is evidence not only of denial, but it poses a real security issue for the rest of the world, when the deniers who live in this virtual make believe bubble world of theirs, threatens the existence for the rest of us, who know better. Unfortunately, dealing with the ignorant's of the world is a world-wide security breach. And this security breach should take center stage in front of all else, if we are to survive on this planet.
     
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    You mean taking care of my responsibilities? I already described those things. Food, clothes, bills, rent, and gas. Should I go without any of those things just to make you happy?
     
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    And "YOU" are? MOD EDIT - Rule 3

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    They think money in their pockets fixes nature. Unbelievable!
     
  16. RedWolf

    RedWolf Well-Known Member

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    It's mine. And if they have to collect taxes in order to fund then yes, it's something I don't want to support and don't want my money going towards.
     
  17. dujac

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    not after you give it to the irs

    tax dodgers across the country agree with you


    &#8220;People who are drawn into this movement [tax protestors] just refuse to acknowledge facts that show their beliefs have no basis in fact,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Most of them have failed, their business has failed, their marriage has failed, and instead of taking responsibility for it they want to blame the government.&#8221;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/movies/31russ.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0
     
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    If I have to be taxed extra in order to help fund it, then yes, it's mine.

    And good for them.
     
  19. bwk

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    Basic necessities can be achieved while taking care of our environment. Lets put it this way, you have two choices; one, you either do something to curb carbon where it makes a difference, or you don't. And, the physical science is there to prove it is getting worse. So which is it, your wallet, or life? Those are the two choices we have.
     
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    Yes they can. Don't litter and recycle. But don't take my money that I have to stretch as it is just so you can have it your way.
     
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    Ridiculous counter argument. Don't litter and recycle? Really? You think that solves everything? What a joke. This proves my point. You are too self-centered to see the forest for the trees, for the sake of a dollar. And that is this countries biggest problem.
     
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    Okay, litter and don't recycle?
     
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    So, in the meantime, while no one can predict exactly what our climate will be like to the year, lets all make sure we worry about our wallets right now? Is that it?
     
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    One should always worry about their wallets. Takes money to get anything done.
     
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    And your information comes from?
     
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