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Should multiculturalism be dismantled?

  1. Absolutely

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  2. I'd say yes

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  3. Not sure

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  4. I'd say no

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  5. Absolutely not

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  6. Other

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  1. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    Mongrels? Germany was defeated by fellow European peoples for the most part.
     
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    You do live in a shithole. No social security, rampant crime and extreme violence.

    While i live in the nation that controls entire europe and has free healthcare + wages high enough that even apprentice salary is good enough to fly to Seychelels for vacation.
     
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    Your "mongrel country" was almost as white in the 1940's as most Western European countries are today. The Mongrel country you see before you now is the product of post 1960's demographic sabotage. It wasn't always like this.
     
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    That's the case with most progressives who try and convince others that they are part of the elite. Their wealth shields them from the consequences of their own policies.


    And the US wasn't even able to beat a POS 3rd world country in Southern Asia. So now military defeat is the ultimate determining factor on whether a country is good or not? Lol, how silly.
     
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    The Roman Republic & then the Empire grew from a spot in the Italian peninsula to encompass the Mediterranean Sea & England. They conquered & ruled by carrot & stick - the carrot was the opportunity for polities to gain Roman citizenship for their children or grandchildren, & obtain the benefits of Roman society. The stick was the Roman military, which was very effective in its day. & so Rome constantly took in new blood & societies - & new members acculturated to Rome's orbit.

    Spanish culture of course informs Mexican/Latino culture. Mexican culture also includes the Native Peoples' cultures, which were many & include language, architecture, arts, agriculture, dress, food, cooking, religion, societal values & attitudes. & Spain of course includes a strong admixture of Muslim & Jewish cultures & languages (Islam occupied much for Spain for nearly eight centuries).
     
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    Nah, for the most part it was the Soviets. They did by far the greater part of the fighting & dying, & they have the stats & graveyards to prove it. The Eastern Front deployed hundreds of divisions on both sides, the US barely raised 90 divisions for the ground war, Pacific & Atlantic TOs. Certainly Hitler didn't think of the Soviets as fellow European peoples, but then then he's beyond reach to answer questions.
     
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    Ok, so what? The movement started and gained strength in a homogenous setting and later collapsed as it took more and more land and tried to make everyone a citizen of Rome. I think America is going to collapse in the same way, for the same reasons, ultimately.

    Spain was never completely colonized by Muslims. The Northern part of the country resisted throughout the entire occupation, and they ultimately purged their lands of Muslims completely by deporting them all. Most of the invading Muslims in Iberia were Berbers, not Arabs or black Moors, so the admixture effect was not as drastic as it could have been.
     
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    There was no mix at all. Muslim occupied spain was a apartheit nation based on terror and opression. Spain kicked islam out and was then able to grow.
     
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    I think Hitler's view on Slavic peoples was completely wrong. I never understood it. They are the descendants of the same European tribes as the Nordics.

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    As for the "Soviet" movement, he saw it as a Jewish uprising and revolution, and it was in large part, so of course he opposed it.
     
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    Muslims took sex slaves in Iberia, like they did in every country they conquered, so there was bound to be some mixing. Iberians have darker features than most Europeans outside of Southern Europeans, who also have a lot of mixing present.
     
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    I know a spanish guy and he looks no different to most others. Genetic studies say mixing was very small. Below 7%.
     
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    I can believe that. The gene pool can cleanse itself anyway assuming no further mixing occurs. A few hundred generations of Europeans reproducing with Europeans will bring any past mixing to a statistical zero.
     
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    Unless you're from it, you don't know about it.

    I'm a product of a multi cultural society; went to school and grew up with many from many places including refugees from these wars.
    I've seen all out race wars when an alien community were forced to adapt to the same multi cultural society.
    My school was like a little United Nations and was representative of my community where I lived/grew up.
    I might be white and British (English blood, some Welsh in me too etc).. but so what, I may as well have grew up on a Star Trek space station, such was the experience growing up that as a man, I feel richer for it and identify with my up bringing as home.

    So I repeat, unless you're from multi culture, what do you know about multi culture that's not an outside opinion.

    I'm from Croydon, South London, England.

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    Kosovan refugees Vs. blacks at school kicked off bad one day, only race war I remember.
    but there were other refugees, like my friend from Somalia...
    My other friends in this group were from Thailand, Turkey and Sri Lanka and one UK mixed race half black half white guy who was adopted by his Chinese Jamaican stepfather so had an Asian last name.
    And girls from Jamaica came too, and Africa, in my little click.
    But I grew up with different races and religions all going to my comprehensive in South London.
    My secondary school.
     
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    Terrorist attacks daily? What, are you labeling everything a terrorist attack? Those attacks, by the way, are coming from American citizens.

    Secondly, our entire country is built by immigrants of all kinds.They built this country, the railroads, worked in the factories, fought wars, built huge companies, invented things and created entire industries, employ millions of people. So saying stupid, frrankly kind of racist stuff like we need to stop multiculturalism is ridiculous.

    Why do so many people think their little secluded white christian bubbles that likely never even see a minority represents this entire country or culture? When the fact is, millions of more people live in cities, with people of all cultures, and actually know these people and what they are like. Not some boogeyman nonsense fed to you by fox news.

    By saying we should do away with multiculturalism is in fact taking away this countries culture.
     
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    And places like Germany don't look that appealing, it's either a ghetto or bland from what I've seen of Germany and Germany doesn't have what we have.
     
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    Well....My point is why do some 'immigrants' want to retain their emigrant-country's name when referring to themselves as Americans. For example...Why "-------------(fill in the blank)-American" instead of just 'American?'
     
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    No, Rome retreated from extending citizenship to allied &/or conquered nations. & their economic & political stratification woes only made things worse. I think their class system ossified, & took their entire political economy down with them. But that's a different topic.

    If Islam stopped short of conquering all of Spain, it's because the north - the Basques - simply weren't conquerable in the mountains. You can ask the Romans about it. & Spain the country didn't exist until 1492 CE - it was precisely the Reconquista that made Spain a country - with a strong central government, which pushed all the military & militia & freebooters onto the New World - a handy way to get rid of them, consolidate the crowns' power & extend the reign's reach & income (@ least in the short term).

    Islamics in Spain after 1502 were allowed to convert to Roman Catholicism or were expelled (the Jews were offered the same choice in 1492). Except that the conversos (the converted Jews) were too successful &/or accused of backsliding. & so they had to go too. The converted Islamics faced the same problems, except that they weren't nearly as influential in Spanish finance/business/government as the conversos had become. So the converted Islamics may have been allowed to stay.
     
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    Another example of multiculturalism in London;
    The Jimi Hendrix Experience
     
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    Being proud of one's heritage is different than wanting to live like a German in America. (example only)
     
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    There was no segregation in Britain...
    Not even during WW2 and armies from all over the world came and fought Germany in Europe, the US Army had to respect this in Britain, even though it's own army was it's business, when not on duty in England, they had to accept this as all did who came to the UK then.
     
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    You're obviously mixed based on that picture. I'm guessing Jewish?
     
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    I don't know.
    I doubt it.
    I can trace my family line back to the late 1700s to Ipswich, UK way (lest I be inbred for it with NFN 'normal for Norfolk') and my maternal grandfather to the Vikings (some old Norwegian name that had been anglicised in the middle ages), and he is where I inherited my hair from - He was blonde though, I'm not, but he had my hair type/I get my curls from him. - When he was baby, it is said, his hair was platinum.
    My mathernal grandmother is half 1920s Chelsea Girl (flapper) and half Welsh, to someone who was Welsh from Wales, so Welsh he knew Welsh and, had the most Welsh name ever and was a Welshman and died in is buried in Wales; William Williams a.k.a Billy Williams.
    Coolest name ever.
    The Chelsea girl, could be traced back to Hertfordshire when I myself thought they were French Huguenots - turns out we just worked for them.
    I can look up some of my ancestors on my father's/my surname on Wikipedia.
    and his mother/my paternal grandmother being from London.
    I mean, the ones from Hertfordshire came to Stockwell, the ones from Ipswich came to Brighton, and virtually founded Victorian Brighton, and that line died in a house fire in London and my line, his brother, is an Ipswich painter who I'm named after, but isn't on Wikipedia.
    I'm a Burrows, of a Burrows of a Burrows and a Lawerence and a Randle of a Randle and a Wright.

    My Ancestor's Statue
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    Sir John Cordy Burrows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cordy_Burrows
    (I have a brother called this).

    My direct ancestor (the statue's brother)
    Robert Jame Burrows 1810 - 1883 https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/6294680_548-robert-burrows-british-1810-1883
    (I'm named after this guy right here).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Lawrence
    My great great aunt
    Her and Noel Coward used to visit during the war.

    and on my mother's side.
    Michael Randle, peace activist.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Randle
     
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    Well I've had my Alex Haley moment..
     

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