Muhammad owned slaves - Should we remove mosques from U.S.?

Most of the African slaves coming to America were Muslim, yabberefugee, which crazy conservatives don't know. Some basic research revealed that fact.

 

The meccan pagans that controlled the hajj money makers. Rather a sweet set up with each banu owning a specific racket.

 

OK.. Yes they did make money on the pilgrims.

 

actually that is not entirely correct either.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/experience/religion/history.html

 

Most of the slaves came from the upper hump of WA, which was Muslim country. The minority of the slaves came from the lower hump, which was primarily animist country.

 

I actually have friends that are descended from Afghanistan royalty, and we have discussed this. I brought information about the spiritual world and the Sufi that they did not know. Then they surprised me, based on some of what I provided, and asserted that the Saudis created Muhammad to try and equalize the Muslim world with the Christian world by defining a single leader.

 

Interesting, CAB, but not compelling.

 

Again It cannot be the same god if the beliefs concerning his most basic attributes are different. We Christians have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, three persons one substance. The Muslims have Allah the one and only. Muslims believe Jesus to be just a man while Christians believe Jesus was God incarnate. Just based on that how can they be the same?

 

garyd, the God is the same, even if the beliefs developed by people have differences.

 

Others say the al Saud were really Jews and still others say the al Saud was created by the Catholic church. Still others say Wahhabi was created by a British spy.

 

Do you know of any good books that give an accurate history of the Saud family? I've done some research on it and find that accounts vary, so it's hard to know which to trust.

 

The Kingdom by Lacy is excellent.. and anything by Yergin... Another book written by Barger called Letters from the Blue is a series of letters written in the late 1930 and 1940s.

 

My understanding is that he was tossed from the tribe, since he was a rapist and murderer.

 

Thank you, Lacey's book is winging it's way to me as we speak.

 

I believe Muhammad himself said that Allah was the same as the Jewish God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are actually the same religion with relatively minor doctrinal differences

 

you understand incorrectly.

 

You aren't yet tired of trying to argue that a Porsche is the same as a gremlin because they are both cars? Or that an 18 wheeler is the same as 100k oil tanker because they both haul oil. They can not be the same if their basic attributes are different. One believes that Jesus was God they others don't that isn't minor.

 

You are pretty inventive, but you are wrong. There is only one God.. the God of Abraham.

Their attributes are not as different as you think. Perhaps you should learn something about Islam and Judaism.

 

No, I understand correctly.

 

We need to protest at every mosque. Shut them down. Any religion based on the life of a slaveholder cannot be tolerated.

Liberals, are you with me? Let's go!

 

Um . . . no, Aleksander Ulyanov, there are super major doctrinal differences.

Don't saw the limb in the tree you are sitting on.

 

It's minor when compared to religions that believe that Kr-shna is the main God and that he rules over a pantheon composed of several thousand deities ranging widely in all aspects of their natures, or that there really aren't any god or gods but just a Path that you will be reborn to follow again and again until you finally learn to do it right, or that the gods are rocks and trees and lakes and the main one is the Emperor, or that the only real godlike things in the world are our humanity and our traditions. The difference is very definitely very minor when compared to them

Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all monotheistic and the god they worship is the only God. He is omniscient, omnipotent, created us in his image and loves us, we even have the same early LEADERS (the Patriarchs) fer crissake. We are different sects of the same Faith, no question.

 

It may seem minor to you but wars have been fought over that 'minor' difference. Islam began as a conquering Army, by way of comparison the first self identified Christian Army doesn't take the field until the first crusade roughly 900 years after Christ was Crucified. And that 'minor difference in the view of who and what Jesus the Christ is makes all the difference in the world to how Christians see the world as opposed to how Muslims see the world. This is especially so in the case of Protestantism.

 

How is that? I realize that Christianity and Islam result in two rather different cultures but how is it their specific view of Christ that causes this? Indeed, in regard to how they see Christ, how do Muslims see any difference between the Catholics (Roman or Greek/Byzantine) and the Protestants at all?

If memory serves I said minor Doctrinal differences before.

 

They are major doctrinal differences. In certain regards, there are more between Catholics and Protestants than there are between Catholics and Muslims. 1st the modern world and the west in particular could not exist for better or for worse in it's current form had the Protestant reformation happens. Both the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages and the Islamic faith both accept the notion of compulsory membership. Protestantism rejects that idea. And those 'minor' doctrinal differences are why. In a nutshell it boils down to how you answer the question "Do you choose God or does God choose you?"
Why is this such a big deal you might ask? It's easy, really, if it is you who do the choosing then not only are you responsible for your own salvation but for that of everyone else as well. In that regard it then becomes clear that anything you have to do to get them to to join your group, however heinous, is to their long term benefit, and if, under any circumstances, they refuse then killing them out of hand makes the world a better place anyway.

If, on the other hand, God does the choosing then not only am I not responsible for my own salvation I cannot be responsible for anyone else's salvation either. The most I can or should do is warn those engaged in rebellion against God of the penalties for continuing in that rebellious state.