Murdered border agent's parents accuse Obama officials of 'hiding something'

Murdered border agent Brian Terry's parents accuse Obama officials of 'hiding something'

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The parents of murdered border agent Brian Terry told Fox News' Sean Hannity on Thursday that they think Attorney General Eric Holder and other Justice Department officials are "hiding something" in their response to the botched anti-gunrunning operation Fast and Furious.
The operation let illicit guns "walk" in the hope of tracking them to bigger traffickers, but many of the guns just disappeared into Mexico. Two of those guns were later found at the crime scene where Terry was killed in December 2010 just north of the border.
A House panel voted Wednesday along party lines to recommend holding Holder in contempt of Congress for not handing over a trove of documents related to Fast and Furious, and GOP leaders are considering a full House vote. President Obama has asserted executive privilege in keeping many of the documents out of public view.
Holder has not yet been formally held in contempt of Congress. The full House would still need to approve the resolution in order for that to happen --Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., suggested the vote can be avoided if the attorney general turns over more emails and memos about the Fast and Furious sting.
Holder has testified he only found out about Fast and Furious after Terry's death, and he condemned the tactics. But GOP lawmakers have suggested top officials at the Justice Department knew more about the operation than they have said.
Terry's parents, Kent and Josephine Terry, said they are upset that the Obama administration may be preventing them from getting the full story about how their son died.
"They're lying. ... They're passing the buck," Kent Terry told Hannity. "I just know that they're hiding something big. Something happened out there."
The interview comes a day after the Terry's released a statement expressing disappointment with the Obama's administration's latest actions.
"Attorney General Eric Holder's refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama's assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth," they said.
President Obama's decision to assert executive privilege over Operation Fast and Furious documents not only failed to delay contempt proceedings against Attorney General Eric Holder -- it raised a whole new line of constitutional questions and challenges about the power of the presidency.
The immediate question was whether the documents contained information so damaging that the president was willing to risk the bad PR by moving to lock them down. GOP lawmakers also questioned whether Obama's assertion was legitimate, later voting in committee that it was not appropriate in this case. And Republicans repeatedly suggested that the White House had tipped its hand, and acknowledged being involved in Fast and Furious discussions by asserting privilege over the documents in question.
The Department of Justice has adamantly defended its response. Holder said Issa, the committee chairman who has led the charge in the House for answers about Fast and Furious, rejected what he thought was "an extraordinary offer."
Wednesday's developments follow a flurry of activity Tuesday, as Holder tried to negotiate a way to avert the contempt proceedings. Issa had earlier indicated a willingness to postpone the vote after Holder indicated a willingness to make compromises and supply some documents in response to House Republicans' subpoena.
Issa had demanded to see a trove of documents on the controversial Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation. He also wants to know who prepared a now-retracted letter from Feb. 4, 2011, in which the department claimed the U.S. did not knowingly help smuggle guns to Mexico, including those found where Terry was killed.


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Of course, they are hiding something. They are hiding their involvement in the initial cover-up, when they denied that F&F even existed. The Justice Dept. has already been caught lying. If this were a Republican admin. the media would have forced resignations a year ago.


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Make up your mind congressional wingbats ... here we have Issa showing a willingness to show mercy and Boehner stating they will have a vote to find Holder in contempt for the purpose of perp-walking Holder to the Capitol one-cell jail ...

Oh, the drama ...

 

Hold him in contempt. Someone needs to pay for the death of that border agent.

 

Obama's administration will be brought down by this. And it won't be the fast and furious program, it will be the things that come out about how they wanted to try to cover this up.

 

of course they are hiding something, no one invokes executive privilege unless they are attempting to CYA from a cockup of major dimensions

 

Especially since Obama said he had no involvement and knew nothing about it.

IDK how you can be in charge of a country and not know about this program. Either you are in over your head, and really don't have a handle on things, or you did know and don't want people to know that you knew.

 

I think when everything comes out, and it will will eventually, this wil be revealed as a move from Obama and Hillary to show how out of control gun trafficking is and use it to lobby for more gun laws and to get the US into the UN's small arms treaty

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/22...ade-treaty-will-affect-legally-owned-weapons/

after all the only obstacle stopping marxist dictatorship in the USA is the 2nd amendment

 

What are they going to "cover up?"

That it was a program started under the Bush Administration?

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-second-bush-era-gun-smuggling-probe-202043091.html

AP Exclusive: Second Bush-era gun-smuggling probe

WASHINGTON (AP) — A second Bush administration gun-trafficking investigation has surfaced using the same controversial tactic for which congressional Republicans have been criticizing the Obama administration.

The tactic, called "gun walking," is already under investigation by the Justice Department's inspector general and by congressional Republicans, who have criticized the administration of Democratic President Barack Obama for letting it happen in an operation called "Fast and Furious".

Emails obtained by The Associated Press show how in a 2007 investigation in Phoenix, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — depending on Mexican authorities to follow up — let guns "walk" across the border in an effort to identify higher-ups in gun networks. Justice Department policy has long required that illicit arms shipments be intercepted whenever possible.

The 2007 probe operated out of the same ATF office that more recently ran the flawed Operation Fast and Furious. Both probes resulted in weapons disappearing across the border into Mexico, according to the emails. The 2007 probe was relatively small — involving over 200 weapons, just a dozen of which ended up in Mexico as a result of gun-walking. Fast and Furious involved over 2,000 weapons, some 1,400 of which have not been recovered and an unknown number of which wound up in Mexico.

Earlier this month, it was disclosed that the gun-walking tactic didn't begin under Obama, but was also used in 2006 under his predecessor, George W. Bush. The probe, Operation Wide Receiver, was carried out by ATF's Tucson, Ariz., office and resulted in hundreds of guns being transferred to suspected arms traffickers.

The older gun-walking cases now coming to light from the Bush administration illustrate how ATF — particularly its Phoenix field division, encompassing Tucson, Ariz., as well as Phoenix — has struggled for years to counter criticism that its normal seize-and-arrest tactics never caught any trafficking kingpins and were little more than a minor irritant that didn't keep U.S. guns out of the hands of Mexican gangs.

Even those cases against low-level straw buyers are problematic for the ATF. There is no federal firearms trafficking law, making it difficult to prosecute cases. So law enforcement agencies resort to a wide variety of laws that do not carry stringent penalties — particularly for straw buyers.

Documents and emails relating to the 2007 case were produced or made available months ago to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, though the Republicans on the panel have said little about them. In the congressional investigation, committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., has focused on the questions of what Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder, knew about Fast and Furious, and when he knew it.

The 2007 probe began when an ATF agent identified several suspects from Mexico who bought weapons from a gun shop in Phoenix over a span of several months.

According to the emails obtained by AP, the probe ran into trouble after agents saw the same suspects buy additional weapons from the same store and followed the suspects south toward the border at Nogales, Ariz., on Sept. 27, 2007. ATF officials notified the government of Mexico to be on the lookout. ATF agents saw the vehicle the suspects were driving reach the Mexican side of the border, but 20 minutes later, Mexican law enforcement authorities informed ATF that they did not see the vehicle.

Committee spokesman Frederick Hill said the documents on the 2007 probe stand in contrast to statements "the Obama administration's Justice Department made to Congress in February 2011 that 'ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico.'"

Hill added that one difference between the 2007 incident and Operation Fast and Furious was that in the 2007 operation, "Mexican authorities were notified. However, in Operation Fast and Furious the Mexican authorities were deliberately kept in the dark."

The emails from the 2007 probe show there was concern that ATF in Arizona had engaged in a tactic that resulted in the guns disappearing inside Mexico.

"Have we discussed the strategy with the US Attorney's Office re letting the guns walk?" headquarters official William Hoover asked in an Oct. 4, 2007 email to William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division.

"Do we have this approval in writing?" asked Hoover. "Have we discussed and thought thru the consequences of same? Are we tracking south of the border? Same re US Attorney's Office. Did we find out why they missed the hand-off of the vehicle?"

At the time, Hoover was assistant director for the office of field operations. He was ATF's deputy director from May 2009 to September 2011 and is now special agent in charge of ATF's Washington, D.C., field division.

"Would like your opinion on a verbal approval from the US Attorney in Phoenix re the firearms walking," Hoover emailed ATF's senior legal counsel for field operations on Oct. 5, 2007. "This is a major investigation with huge political implications and great potential if all goes well. We must also be very prepared if it doesn't go well."

The lawyer, Anne Marie Paskalis, wrote back: "Sure. We will work this out. Perhaps a conference call ... to discuss what if any assurances they have received from USAO that this investigation is operating within the law and doj (Department of Justice) guidelines."

On Oct. 5, Hoover wrote Carson Carroll, then ATF's assistant director for enforcement programs and services at agency headquarters in Washington, D.C., saying "I do not want any firearms to go South until further notice. I expect a full briefing paper on my desk Tuesday morning from SAC Newell with every question answered. I will not allow this case to go forward until we have written documentation from the US Attorney's office re full and complete buy in. I do not want anyone briefed on this case until I approve the information. This includes anyone in Mexico."

On Oct. 6, Newell, the Phoenix SAC, wrote Carroll: "I think we both understand the extremely positive potential for a case such as this but at this point I'm so frustrated with this whole mess I'm shutting the case down and any further attempts to do something similar. We're done trying to pursue new and innovative initiatives — it's not worth the hassle."

Newell, as the special agent in charge of the Phoenix division, was at the center of Operation Fast and Furious. He has acknowledged that mistakes were made in the agency's handling of the operation, and has been reassigned to a Washington headquarters job.

 

It's George W. Bush's fault! LOL!

 

here is a question for you todd

why would Holder and Obama re institute a program in 2009 which Bushes administration had tried on a small scale during 2006 and stopped in 2007 when to they discovered it was ineffective and flawed. Not only did they revive a program which had been shown to not only be ineffective but actually harmful then expanded it tenfold? Another major difference was the Mexican Government was involved and informed during the program during the Bush administration, however they were not informed during Obama and Holders operation.

 

Oh, maybe something along the lines of "obstruction of justice"...

 

Yes we know, it was started under the Bush administration. It was a bad plan then, it is a bad plan now.

Brian Terry Was killed, his family and the american people want to know exactly how this plan was started, who put fast and furious forward and why, eric holder lied about when he knew about the program.

Is it that hard for you to understand? If people during the Bush administration had part in something that led to his death, then they too need to be held accountable. However, with the exec. privilege going into affect, we can't find out.

 

This nonsense has been debunked enough. Get with the program.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that from Obama and his zombies I could retire today.

 

I agree completely.. there is no way Obama is going to allow the criminals to stand prosecution for these crimes.. to allow the criminals in the Bush administration to hang would expose the criminals in the Obama administration.

 

Weird that you hear it from neocons as a defense much as you hear it from neolibs as an attack huh?

 

Unfortunately for you, you don't have a clue as to what a neo-con is.

 

maybe... or you don't... I'll trade punches with ya.. you tell what you think a Neo-con is.. I'll play your little game.

 

They always hide not something, but everything. Obama is a dunce.

 

Well the liberals are trying to pull a "if you repeat the lie enough, people will think it's true" tactic and we are not letting it work.

 

They are.. I implore people not to fall for it... BUT.. So are the Neoconservative establishment

 

I wish he was the Dunce in this situation... he is in power along with all the other status-quo criminals of both the "D" and "R" stripe... while the real dunces fight each other for purpose and left over scraps in the gutter

 

I know that you have no idea what it is, so I don't need to explain why.

 

Look, I am all for going after Republicans just as hard as Democrats if they screw up, but as far as this border agents death is concerned, I fail to see how Republicans are even relevant...

 

Operation Wide Receiver was Bush's baby. Difference is the Bush admin worked in conjunction with the Mexican government whereas the Obama admin did not. Additionally OWR was a sting operation which resulted in cartel arrests, and no border agents or Mexican civilian deaths. F & F was used in part as a cover to crackdown On 2nd Amendment rights.

CBS News Obtains Documents Showing Holder Used Fast And Furious Scandal To Justify Crackdown On 2nd Amendment Rights

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/21/...to-justify-crackdown-on-2nd-amendment-rights/

Yep. It certainly appears it's Bush's fault. ROFLMAO!

 

Indeed, it's hard to believe that a program done without the knowledge or consent of the Mexican government could possibly be approved without so much as a memo to the President saying "hey, if some angry Mexican officials come knocking, here's the reason why..."

...and by "hard", i really mean "impossible".