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Obama was an American, same as Trump.... that is the point

Trump Devotion Syndrome?

 

Try actually doing some homework instead of copy/pasting the instructions you've been given. "Orange man God" isn't an argument.

 

Barack Obama was eligible. There is no "subject." Just garbage wingnut conspiracy theories. Also, no, Trump's mother wasn't native born, though anyone who could be bothered to read the Constitution knows that doesn't matter.

 

Obama is a commie before anything else.

 

Trump raised the debt almost as much in 4 years as Obama did in 8

 

He said he was "pushing for free speech" for the customers of his service, not the employees. He's not trying to run a hippy commune, he's trying to build a digital town square where the rights of users to speak freely are broadly respected. The worker bees behind the scene don't need unfettered permission to publicly malign their boss to make that vision a reality. Even when he's fired people, he has not banned them from Twitter as users, just removed them from the company as employees.

 

This recent community note from Twitter sheds some helpful additional context:

"COVID-driven deficits in both FY20 & 21 were roughly double the previous record (09), making the drop to FY22 sizeable.

But the FY22 deficit is still the 4th largest in history and is 41% larger than FY19.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finan…"

The chart at the bottom of this article does a good job illustrating how Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden have done on the deficit, and how drastically COVID affected it.

 

Well I'm not sure "laws apply" equally has been my observation.

 

Obama may not be an American as defined under the eligibility requirements in the Constitution. Being born in America doesn't necessarily make you eligible for POTUS. It really isn't totally clear, and the SCOTUS has never ruled on it.

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Barack's circumstances were unique. You can research it if you like. Note, the term "naturalized" citizen means you weren't born a "natural" American, you became American after birth and are said to be "naturalized". When you become a naturalized American you enjoy all rights and privileges as a citizen except you aren't eligible to become POTUS. When we refer to "natural born" Americans we normally drop the adjective and just say American. When the distinction is important, we say natural-American or naturalized-American.

1) If you are born in the US to parents who are both American citizens at the time of your birth you are by law a natural born American citizen. You may enjoy all the rights and privileges of being an American unless you voluntarily change your allegiance after the age of 18 (i.e., natural born American).
2) If you are born in the US to parents of mixed nationality, one of which is a natural or naturalized American citizen at the time of your birth, you are deemed a naturally-eligible American. This means at the age of 18 you may choose to be a natural American or a citizen of the nationality of the non-American parent (should that country allow it). If at the age of 18 you choose to be an American citizen (or don't declare yet live as an American), you are deemed a natural born American.
3) If you are born abroad to parents who are BOTH natural or naturalized American citizens you are deemed to be a naturally-eligible American. Again, at the age of 18 you may choose either nationality. If you choose to be an American citizen you are deemed a natural American. SCOTUS has not ruled as to whether this meets eligibility as they may not consider this a "natural born" citizen.
4) If you are born abroad to parents of mixed nationality or a single parent who is a natural or naturalized American citizen you are deemed to be a naturally-eligible American citizen until the age of 18. If you are residing in the US at the age of 18, or you have lived in the US for 14 years you may choose to be a natural American or a citizen of your birth country. Again, it isn't settled law as to whether this would be deemed eligible as a "natural born" American.
5) If you are born within US territory to non-American parents at the time of your birth (e.g., on temporary visa) you are not considered a natural born American or even American. Caveat: If you are so born in the US, live in the US for 14 years (isn't clear whether they must be consecutive), you may apply for citizenship if you are residing in the US at the time of application and you pass testing requirements (this is a recent change). The requirements are set by Congress and regulated by the State Department. I believe it currently amounts to learning English to a certain level of proficiency and passing a test on US Civics/History. Congress has ceded much authority to the SD to decide on the test requirements with Congressional oversight. If you apply and pass, you are deemed a naturalized American and enjoy all benefits and responsibilities (oath of loyalty). However, SCOTUS has never ruled or even heard a case involving POTUS eligibility as to whether this satisfies the native-born requirement.
6) Anyone else may apply for citizenship while abroad and if approved by the SD is also eligible to take the same test. Should they pass they are deemed naturalized Americans. Not eligible for POTUS.

Barack's case was unique. Barrack's mother was born in Hawaii but gave up her citizenship in 1958 when Hawaii was still an American protectorate. Hawaii subsequently became a state in 1959 making all Hawaiin's citizens at that time native born Americans. She had already voluntarily given up her citizenship with the SD and applied for citizenship in Kenya due to her communist leanings (she was a card-carrying member of the communist party). In 1958 being a member of the communist party was HIGHLY frowned upon and considered membership in an organization which expressly promoted the overthrow of the US government. Something she herself expressly promoted. Records are poor in Kenya, and no one has been able to determine if Kenyan citizenship was ever approved. All that is known is she voluntarily notified the SD she was resigning her citizenship and applied in Kenya (and moved to Kenya). After getting pregnant almost 3 years later with Barack (1960), she returned to Hawaii on visa (with her new Kenyan husband - Barack's father). The visa was approved because her parents were American and lived in Hawaii. They lived with her parents who sponsored their visa. Prior to Barack's birth his father managed to get accepted to Harvard, left Barrack's mom and moved to Harvard. He subsequently divorced Barack's mother, married another American woman before Barrack was even born. It is unclear whether the marriage to Barack's mother was a sham marriage to gain him entrance into the country. The guy moved around fast evidently. He ended up failing out of Harvard in less than a year, returned to Hawaii temporarily, before returning to Kenya (Barack was almost 2 by then). He subsequently married several Kenyan women without ever divorcing his 2nd American wife. He fathered around 24 additional children in Kenya before his death. Barack only met him once during a few days visit when Barack was ten and living in Indonesia.

“I didn’t really know my father; he left my mother and me when I was two years old and only traveled from Kenya to visit us once when I was ten. That trip was the first and the last I saw of him; after that, I heard from him only through the occasional letter, written on thin blue airmail paper that was preprinted to fold and address without an envelope.” - Barack Obama

Barack's mother moved to Indonesia with Barack when Barack was 3. He spent his formative years in Indonesia. His mother wasn't a particularly involved caretaker even according to Barack. He was essentially raised by an Indonesian transvestite with a pet Chimpanzee who was hired by Barrack's mother as a sort of nanny. She was well known in Indonesia as the "American Slut", though this may have been due to her unfamiliar liberal American tendencies. In Indonesia sex outside of marriage is highly frowned upon and she was evidently very sexually liberated. She entered into frequent short-lived relationships, exclusively with Black Communists (by her own admission her "type"). She even broke off a relationship with one of them when he got what was considered a great job working for Conoco on an oil rig. She stated she was no longer attracted to him as she considered him a sell-out to Capitalism even though he still professed to be Communist. She sent Barrack back to Hawaii at the age of 13. Barrack stated he was very resentful and felt abandoned. He lived with his aging grandparents from 13 to 18. From age 13 to 16 he spent much of his time with a well-known communist agitator and author his mother knew and had asked to tutor Barrack in the communist ideology. He died when Barrack was 16. It was here Barrack became indoctrinated into Socialism. At 18 Barrack was accepted and attended Harvard. He stated he didn't feel like he belonged. He didn't feel comfortable in either the Black or White culture and his political leanings made him feel ostracized. It took him time to find his place and accept himself for who he was.

The issue with Barack's eligibility is a unique case. Is he in category 2 or does the fact his mother had given up her citizenship prior to his birth make him ineligible and a non-native-born American. It is likely he is in category 5. Regardless of his status, the problem was ANY possibility of ineligibility which arose during the election would mean the SCOTUS would have to hear the case. Any such hearing during the election was obviously quite problematic. So, he withheld his LF birth certificate from the public and from his application for office (a first). Later he released his LF birth certificate during his 2nd term when it was pretty much settled as it was unlikely the SCOTUS would rule on the matter.

 

My apologies, you are correct. Trump's mother was a naturalized American (1942) at the time of DJT's birth. Immaterial as Trump was born in the US to parents who were both citizens at the time of his birth.

 

Actually, the SUBJECT of THIS Thread is Trump being reinstated to Twitter...
Not sure why not one keystroke of the post was addressing the Subject of THIS Thread...

 

This thread took on a side-turn when FreshAir stated Trump was rightfully banned for questioning Obama's eligibility for POTUS. Apparently, this is hate-speech, racially motivated, and amounts to an attack on the Constitution and the Republic. When I replied stating Obama's eligibility is not only not beyond question, but also not settled case law and that it is in no way sedition to question the Constitutionality, he (as is common among liberals) changed the subject to Trump not being eligible. Apparently, that though isn't sedition. I myself mentioned this was a furtherance which was out of scope with this thread.

Suffice it to say, questioning Barack's eligibility is not a valid excuse to censor the free speech of a sitting POTUS and ban him. He is by far not the only one to bring this to public attention. In fact, Hillary was the first.

 

If a group wants to protest, it is fine for another group to protest against it. Again. Please pay attention. There is no free speech in the private sector. The first amendment applies only to government. This conversation is getting tedious. I'm done repeating myself.

 

No...Hillary DIDN'T bring "birtherism" to public attention...
No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304
Fact-checking Donald Trump's ludicrous debunked claim Hillary Clinton started Obama birther movement
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/

 

oh, so if they had posted their gripes on twitter, he would have been ok with it, he doesn't support free speech otherwise?

lol, sure

 

Biden is still dealing with Covid, so guess Biden's years won't count towards his total debt either

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-by-year-compared-to-gdp-and-major-events-3306287

2016 $19,573 105% Brexit
2017 $20,245 104% Congress raised the debt ceiling
2018 $21,516 105% Trump tax cuts
2019 $22,719 107% Trade wars
2020 $27,748 129% COVID-19 and 2020 recession
2021 $29,617 124% COVID-19 and American Rescue Plan Act

 

Obama was eligible to be POTUS, case closed, birtherism is dead

 

Immaterial because Obama was a citizen by birth.

 

He can fire them for almost whatever reason he likes. He could also ban them from his platform for almost whatever reason he likes. He has chosen to not do the latter, showing a greater commitment to the principle of free speech than Twitter had been operating under recently. I find that refreshing, regardless of how many Gen Z shitheels he has to fire to get there.

 

Trump's personality, he's a pillock, I wouldn't do business with him. His decisions, he turned America around, you have to go back to the 1960's to find greater numbers than he achieved getting people out of poverty. Then America went back to down hill with Biden, so you thank the idiots that voted for him.

If you take your blinkers off (I think Americans call them blinders), and actually listen to his speech before the 6th riot, and read his tweets, you will find he didn't want violence. But that's against your agenda, what you imagine is set in stone and Musk just utterly busted your dreams showing those tweets.

Yet the numpties on the Left soldier on with nothingburgers. Thank goodness my boys have their heads screwed on and are Rightwing.

 

It might help to use the term laid-off not fired when it is appropriate. He announced Twitter would have to lay-off 75%.

 

I think "fired" is the appropriate term here. It denotes bad acts led to the separation from employment, and I think there's a lot of truth to that.

 

On a side note, Musk found a bunch of Stay Woke shirts in a closet at Twitter.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/elon-musk-pokes-fun-at-stay-woke-shirts-found-at-twitter-hq/

 

What is interesting is the fact that 49% of Twitters do not believe a sitting president or a former president should be allowed to speak out.

 

"There is no free speech" is your position? Yes... I'm done too.