Muslims are hesitant to criticize other Muslims because Allah will punish them if they do

Re "MO's pedophilia":

My grand-grandfather more than a century ago married my great-grandmother when he was 19 and she 14. By modern definitions, that would be pedophilia. Should I ignore the moral standards of his time that we're perfectly okay with such a marriage and condemn my great-grandfather as a pedophile or should I recognize that the concept of what qualifies as a mature marriage-Age adult has varied quite widely throughout history?

 

Why would a god within a human form or acting through a human agent not take into account the subjective morality and situational ethics of the time in which they are involving themselves?

 

He'd say "whoa, Mohammad, 9 year-olds suffer psychological damage when a 54 year-old has sex with them, get off her!"
Can we agree that if you were in Allah's shoes, Q, that you'd have said that - so that some of the millions of little girls who have been violated by pious Muslims over the centuries, due to Mohammad's example, would have been spared that? Can we agree on that, Q?

 

Again, you defend sex with kids. Shame on you.

Did Allah know right from wrong, Q?

 

Have you answered this question, Q? I'm not sure:
"Which is more scientifically-correct, Q: jinns, or MSH which says that Mohammad got it wrong because there are no jinns?"

 

Yes, I would definitely impose modern morality on a society where the older you are, the more likely you are to die in childbirth and where death is common enough that they need to start having children as soon as they are able to.

It would definitely be better for that society to just die out in my drive to enforce modern morality on a non-modern society.

 

Should I condemn my grandfather as a pedophile, FS?

Should through away my beliefs in Humanism and not recognize the beliefs and standards of his society?

 

You do make a difference between a 14 year old teenager and a 9 year old girl, don't you?

 

Wow. Incredible.
I've never seen a more intelligent person consistently, passionately, defend PEDOPHILIA.

What is the world coming to?

 

But your version of MSH tells me to reject the sciences of psychology and psychiatry, so my answer is they are equal.

 

Well, don't treat him as the best role model of all time, and don't follow his invisible friend's (if he had one) proclamation to wage war against non-believers!

 

Both were considered of marriageable Age by their societies and times, both are considered children and relationships with them pedophila today.

Should I excuse one and not the other? Or should I recognize the morality of the time rather than imposing my modern situational morality on them?

 

You believe in Jinns? Wow.

 

Canell, we have a pedo-defender on the forum....just get used to it.
I guess he was just as much right as anyone else on the forum, and I like his spirited debate.

 

That isn't the question I asked is it?

Should I condemn my great-grandfather as a pedophile or should I recognize the moral standards of his time?

 

No, he doesn't. Sad, really. Religion seems to effect brain cells in a way we don't fully understand yet.

 

I believe in modern science, unlike you.

 

My answer stands, as I'm only concerned about those pedophiles who effect us today.

 

So Muslims are delusional for giving their children the 'best book of all time' that believes in make-believe stuff like angels and jinns, correct?

 

It wasn't pedophilia by the standards of the time! A female was considered an adult of marriageable age if she had started puberty.

Today that would be abhorrent but we don't live in an era where death in child birth for women is more and more common the older they are and where people die so often that child bearing has to start early.

 

If you go onto the NAMBLA web site forum you'll see verbatim justifications for sex with kids like this post, I bet.

 

Way to dance around the question rather than concede my point.

 

Stop defending those barbarians.

 

Show per psychology where religious beliefs qualify as delusions.

 

He was ignorant.
God would know better, however, so therefore so would his prophet.