My God are we cowards - UN results

No Trumps decisions are not based on feelings, but greed.
And I do believe that he hates Muslims and Blacks and anything in between as some others do on this forum.
Reg.

 

I don't agree at all, because it is Trumps reality doesn't mean it is the truth, or was it fake news after all?
The vast majority of nations do see that differently, are they all wrong?
Our ambassador said what she was instructed to say, by a spineless government....
Reg.

 

Peaceful coexistence requires as a minimum good faith or equal strength. Palestine has neither.

 

You mean Jerusalem, the capital of Israel that the western world would not recognize due to Islamic bullying and propaganda? Most of the 'Palestinian's' in the alleged Palestine are as Palestinian as the American Jews in Israel are Israeli.

 

No but I DO have a right to epress how I feel

 

Some years back I watched a program that put forth a bloody good argument that the land grab was less about land and more about water and the existence on the Palestinian side of underground reserves

I think there is blame on both sides that should have long and long ago been buried

 

Land grab? Territory often goes to the victors when attacked, except for Jews.

 

there will only be peace when Israeli extremism is brought to heel.

Trump is not helping.

 

You forgot: kill grandma and starve the children.

 

Thank you. I try.

Of course I would. So would you. In fact, we have. So has every other non-indigenous Australian. We simply have the advantage that someone conveniently 'grabbed' our land before we were born. Sort of makes it easy to pretend that it wasn't grabbed at all.

Losing wars sucks. Bad things happen. Things that should not. But they do. Sometimes war is thrust upon you, sometimes you start it. We all benefit from the former situations, Palestinians are in the latter situation.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'land grab', but I'll assume it is post-1967. Personally I disagree with the settlement program, but most of the settlements are going to stay. I support Olmert's plan, which gave the equivalent of 93% of the West Bank to Palestinians (there were some land swaps. Sadly the Palestinians knocked it back. They won't get an agreement that good again. They aren't going to get back the land they want, so what is 'right' and 'wrong' or what you and I think just don't matter.

The Palestinians need to cut the best deal they can and get on with governing themselves badly. No doubt their 'friends' will continue to tell them that all their misfortunes are the fault of the horrible Jews.

 

Actually, it is Israel's reality. Trump is simply acknowledging it.

The 'vast majority' of nations can believe what they want, Israel's Capitol is still Jerusalem.

 

Jerusalem is also Palestine's capitol. Not that complicated.
I guess it matters on which side you are on....
As far as I am concerned, Jerusalem is both Israel's and Palestine's capitol.
It can't be the capitol of Israel only! Not only unjust, but contradict to any peaceful solution!
Reg.

 

Fine, its Palestine's Capitol too if it makes you happy. Their Government isn't based there & doesn't have any major institutions there, but if saying that makes you feel better then go for it.

Of course, it can be the Capitol of Israel only, and right now it is. If Palestinians want to alter that they will either need to negotiate very well or acquire military capabilities to force Israel to accept it. Not seeing anything in the past 70 years that indicates they are capable of either. Right now they aren't even capable of mounting a passable campaign of civil disobedience.

Too angry & stupid to negotiate, too weak to fight, too unimportant for anyone important to do either on their behalf. Oh, and too corrupt & incompetent to govern themselves very well. Doesn't sound like a people who will be getting anything much any time soon.

This is the offer Abbas rejected in 2008. It doesn't comment on the status of Jerusalem, but the Palestinians would have controlled the Arab Eastern part. There may not be a better one in our lifetimes. It is hard to overstate the stupidity of rejecting this:

 

You think you are embarrassed? Your government didn't create this international diplomatic mess so your President could 'look' decisive for his base, and repay a favor to evangelical voters who ignored his history of sexual misconduct. You will never know true embarrassment until Australians vote in a man-child with narcissistic personality disorder as their great statesman and leader.

I refuse to travel outside the US until this idiot in the White House is long gone.

I don't know what to say to explain him to civilized people.

 

Too late I'm afraid. His name is Tony. He's been a cancer on the Australian body politic since the early 1990s. He is the single most destructive politician of the postwar period. He was such an awful Prime Minister his own colleagues removed him. Even then he continues with the same destructive, selfish behavior.

Trump will most likely be gone in 2020. Tony has spent 25 years wrecking Australia in some form or another & shows no sign of letting up.

We know true embarrassment. True, profound & prolonged.